Conner Prairie Horn Class Display Horns

[Larry Pletcher]

During our class there was a display of original horns as well as horns made by Art.  The following photos are a mix of these.   The horns changed positions during the week, so you may see a horn more than once.  Also you may see more pics of Lancaster screw tips since they were my favorites. 































My thanks to Art for the superb instruction.  I'm sure everyone got their money's worth and more.
Regards,
Pletch

[Tim Crosby]

 Good job Pletch, Thanks

 Tim C.

[brokenflint]

Pletch  whats the item in the last photo?  cup, salt horn start, band, just artwork?

Broke

[Larry Pletcher]

If you are looking at the paper at the bottom, it is an application form for the "Honourable Company of Horners".  Art set them out for students who wished to join.
Regards,
Pletch

[brokenflint]

no not the paper with the horn photos on it, the item directly above which looks scrimmed, yellow ribbon design and looks to be floating over wood base. 

Broke

[Larry Pletcher]

Sorry, I misunderstood.  It's a small horn cup.  It's sitting on a small wire support on a wood base.  The scrim elements are Tansel.  The eagle is a common Tansel object and the border is the Tansel drapery.   I think there are a couple of views in pics 9,10,12.

Regards,
Pletch

[brokenflint]

What's the bottom of the cup made from?  this also horn or wood like a powder horn plug?

Broke

[Larry Pletcher]

They had bottoms made of horn, beautifully done BTW.
Pletch

[brokenflint]

Ok Pletch I ain't lettin this on die a natural death LOL !  How's the horn plug attached?

Broke

[Larry Pletcher]

Ok Pletch I ain't lettin this on die a natural death LOL !  How's the horn plug attached?
Broke

Art suggested using the type of attachment that matched the local area.  On the Lancaster screw tips, which many of our group did, small iron nails were formed from 1/16" wire or a small finish nail.  These were peened in a vise to make a hand formed head.  For the Lancasters, 4 or 5 nails was the suggestion.  (I'm going to use 5 on mine.)  I believe the southern screw tips used more.  In these decisions we were guided by the originals.  One area in PA used thorns for the attachment peg.  Right now I can't remember where that was.  Art or Jeff may come to my rescue here.

Regards,
Pletch

[Randy Hedden]

Ok Pletch I ain't lettin this on die a natural death LOL !  How's the horn plug attached?

Broke

BF,

I am assuming that you are talking about the bottom of the horn cup.  A cup like the one shown is turned on a lathe and a groove is machined on the inside diameter of the cup near the bottom.  I have used a "V" groove.  Then a flat piece of horn is made with the outside diameter of this piece matching the groove in the body of the cup.  Both pieces are heated and the piece of horn for the bottom is set into the horn from the large end and pushed down into the cup until it falls in place in the groove in the body of the cup.  If done right there is no need for any kind of sealant.  There are no pins or nails used in the construction of these horn cups.  I have only made a couple of horn cups so I guess others might have a slightly different method of making them, but basically this is how they are made.

Randy Hedden

[Larry Pletcher]

BF and Randy,
I guess I was tunneled in on the horns.  It's obvious that my answer was not about the bottom of the horn cup.  We didn't discuss cup-making in the class.  Randy's answer sounds fine to me.  Sorry I didn't get dialed in on the question you asked.

Regards,
Pletch

[Randy Hedden]

Pletch,

I have made horns for many years, but the great majority of horns I made were the F&I War style horns.  I have become interested in the screw/applied tip horns about the last two years.  I was not aware that the pins for the butt plugs varied in material used in various different locations where they were made.  Interesting to say the least.

Randy Hedden

[brokenflint]

To quote myself "How's the horn plug attached?"  I wasn't to specfic, easy to misinterpret that one Pletch  

Randy  Thanks,   So let me see if I have this right, I would cut the horn to desired height + rabbet dimension.  make a plug to form the inside and hold the cup in the lathe, turn the outside to uniform dimension, cut the rabbet.  Heat etc per your instructions Randy.


Broke

[Randy Hedden]

BF,

Actually this type of cup is turned on the inside and the outside.  You had better not cut it to length first as you will need something to hang on to when machining the ID and OD.  I don't have a good wood lathe so I work on a small metal lathe and always have to do some extra operations whenever I am working on horns and such.  I would imagine that having a good wood lathe with a chuck to hold pieces would make such operations much easier.

Randy Hedden

[G. Elsenbeck]

Pfletch, great pics on the class and the progressive tutorial.  Your horn turned out great.   Good job.

Randy, thanks for the horn cup info, good to know. 

Gary

[brokenflint]

Pletch, Randy and all you other horners, what's the lathe that was setup at the workshop, looks like only the headstock in one of the photos.  I have a Rikon mini lathe, this do the trick?

Broke

[Larry Pletcher]

The lathe we spun the horns on is the one I think you are talking about.  Art took the head stock, spun it 180 degrees, and and faced it the opposite direction.  It now faces to the right off the end, opposite the ways.  This was done because the lathe didn't have enough swing to handle the horn body.

  Art then took off the tail stock from the wood lathe and mounted his little Sears (Atlas) metal lathe to the now empty ways.  So as you look at the whole thing, it looks like the metal lathe has an extra head stock on one end.  Take a look at pics 2,3,4 on part 1 and you can probably see this.  Whether you can do this on your lathe depends on how slow you can turn.

Regards,
Pletch