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Offline Bob Rearley

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Engraving
« on: July 09, 2022, 02:36:53 AM »
Gentlemen,
I am a progressing beginner engraver with the hope of engraving a patchbox.  I am having difficulty cuting small arcs without corners.  I have to sit while engraving and I am doing chase method while rotating the vise.  Might I cut  arcs better with a palm graver and  is there a particular point that would serve me better.
Thanks, Bob

Offline kutter

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Re: Engraving
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2022, 07:01:19 AM »
Sitting and cutting circles/arcs can cause the elbows & knees instead of the smooth continuous cuts you want because you are stopping and re-starting the cut several times.

First is to draw out the scroll or arc on the metal exactly the way you want it.
Then follow that line exactly.
Check your drawn pattern line from a couple different angles to make sure it looks right. Sometimes it can look great from one way. Then turn the work and ,,not so great. Re-draw it.

When cutting, don't try and cut to the absolute limit of what your arm and wrists will tollerate. Just cut the arc smoothly for a distance and then stop.
Turn the work.
Now start again,,BUT,,back up with the chisel on the already cut line and start again.
DON'T stasrt cuttin right at the point where you ended.
You won't be able to smoothly and cleanly extend the arc that way as a rule. You will leave  a kink or elbow in the line when proceding. Backing up and retracing your already cut line gets you started on the orig arc again and then you cut right into the same arc in the new cut.

After awhile the process goes pretty fast, but don't try for speed with anything when leaning engraving.
It'll just leave you with poor quality work, frustration and wanting for some sort of shortcut to sucess.
There isn't any.
Just practice.

You'll get there.

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Re: Engraving
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2022, 07:29:35 PM »
 The most likely issues to cause “elbow, or Knees” in your engraving in my experience is either poorly sharpened gravers, or  a graving hammer that is too light. If the graver doesn’t have the proper relief to let it ride in the cut, it will hang up requiring a harder hammer blow. This drives the graver forward and off the drawn line. Many short light blows is what make smooth curves. I also tried Wallace Guslers suggestion that heavier graver, and a light machinists hammer (which is heavier than a graving hammer)might help, and it did. Especially on steel, and iron. Good luck.

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Offline smoke and flames

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Re: Engraving
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2022, 08:16:42 PM »
Whatever graver you decide to use, there must be a heel or a relief belly on the bottom. This is very small and acts like a fulcrum to help you control the depth of your graver. For hammer and chisel style I like about a 20 degree heel which helps me have the clearance for my fingers around the graver handle. Try a few different angles to see what works best for you

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Re: Engraving
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2022, 09:55:36 PM »
I twist at the waist when cutting curves.
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Re: Engraving
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2022, 10:00:36 PM »
I twist at the waist when cutting curves.
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Offline Bob Rearley

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Re: Engraving
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2022, 10:24:28 PM »
Thanks gentlemen.  Great points all.  As I move up the learning curve I can see progress which keeps me going.  When I first picked up a graver I couldn't even see the point let a lone sharpen it.  I am beginning to see how that heel influences the cut.  Some things we just have to figure out for ourselves, much like every phase of gun building.
Bob

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Re: Engraving
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2022, 05:18:39 PM »
Bob,
If you must sit while engraving, it might behoove you to acquire a potter's kick wheel.  It's used my many engravers.  It allows you to rotate your work with your feet without having to stop and start your lines to move your vise.

They are available for purchase, or if you are handy there are many home-grown variations to be made.
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Offline Bob Rearley

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Re: Engraving
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2022, 08:43:28 PM »
Thanks Dave.  Great idea.
Bob