Longcruise/Jim-Thank you for the info. Question: Are these weights you posted both for the average weights of the 45, 50, and 54 caliber Colonial and Woodsrunner rifles or for one or the other. Over on the Muzzleloading Forum someone posted some weights on a thread dealing with the Woodsrunner rifle and the poster had some weights he advised 'Lorie' from Kibler gave him regarding the Woodsrunner's average weights. 45 caliber=8#, 50 caliber=7.5#, and 54 caliber=7#. Another poster advised on the same thread that the Woodsrunner has a shorter barrel making it a bit lighter than the Colonial rifle.