Author Topic: barrel identity? (Read 2096 times)

Jim Curlee · « **on:** November 14, 2022, 05:43:38 PM »

I have a 7/8ths", by 38" barrel in a southern mountain style rifle.
It has 8 lands and grooves, flat bottom rifling.
50 calibre, with the C as a large cap, and the A-L are small capped letters, period following the L.
The 50 CAL is written on the lock side, on the flat above the lock.
Crowned, and radiused on the barrel end, this all appears to be factory turned.

Jim

smallpatch · « **Reply #1 on:** November 14, 2022, 05:54:34 PM »

A photo or two might help.

Jim Curlee · « **Reply #2 on:** November 14, 2022, 05:59:57 PM »

What do you want a pic of to help in identifying the barrel?
Other than the 50 CAL., there is nuthin written on the barrel.

Jim

rich pierce · « **Reply #3 on:** November 14, 2022, 06:16:23 PM »

No way anybody here will be able to say where it came from. Maybe Track of the Wolf. Just guesswork.

Daryl · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2022, 06:54:55 PM »

A picture of the markings might trigger someone's memory.

smylee grouch · « **Reply #5 on:** November 14, 2022, 06:58:48 PM »

If it has 8 cuts, are they wide with narrow lands? Or narrow cuts and wider lands? Seems to me that Green Mountain has 8 wide cuts and some Douglas barrels had 8 narrower cuts. You might check the rate of twist also. GM I think had a 70 inch and Douglas a 66. $:-\$

Jim Curlee · « **Reply #6 on:** November 14, 2022, 07:23:59 PM »

Wow, I didn't think there were that many barrel makers out there, that there would be a question of who made it.

To me the crowned and turned end should have narrowed it down considerably, but I obviously don't have a clue.
I was just thinkin that Billy Bob didn't turn this barrel out in the garage, but I don't have a clue about that either. lol

I'm taking her out in the shop right now, and I'll answer my own question. LOL
Once I figure out how to get the barrel out of the stock. lol

If I can't figure the barrel out, I'll be back with pics. lol

Thanks
Jim

Went out and pulled the barrel.
Other than the 50 cal, the only other markings are the #34 engraved in the bottom of the barrel, with one of those electric engravers.
This goes along with the #34 on the inside of the lock plate.
The barrel was held in place with 2 screw blocks dovetailed into the barrel, peened in place with 3 punch marks.
Thats all I know.

rich pierce · « **Reply #7 on:** November 14, 2022, 08:46:41 PM »

Gun maker could have re-crowned it and scribed the number on it, not just the barrel maker.
None of the following dead or alive barrel makers stamp their barrels for caliber on the side flat like that.
GRRW
Sharon
Green Mountain ( unless a drop in barrel for a TC)
Douglas
Rice
Getz
Longhammock
Charles Burton
Bill Large

Correct me where I’m wrong.
Bobby Hoyt
H&H
Goodoein
Les Bauska

Jim Curlee · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2022, 04:30:43 AM »

I have to apologize, but I think we've been over this ground before.

First thing to go, is your memory. LOL

I think I asked this question awhile back(years), and the answer was a Dixie Gun Works barrel.

Sorry, gettin old is rough. lol

Jim

Daryl · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2022, 08:12:29 PM »

OK- where did Dixie get it from? ie: who was the maker?

Bigmon · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2022, 08:39:41 PM »

Ahhh,..... I think the memory is the second thing to go. You know what the first is.

Daryl · « **Reply #11 on:** November 16, 2022, 12:55:24 AM »

Already at the second, so how am I supposed to remember what the first was?

LilysDad · « **Reply #12 on:** November 16, 2022, 06:36:46 PM »

We haven't even mentioned the Italian and Spanish makers, yet.

smylee grouch · « **Reply #13 on:** November 16, 2022, 07:10:36 PM »

Also Rayal (sp), Paris, and Carpenter plus others I'm sure.

flinchrocket · « **Reply #14 on:** November 16, 2022, 07:30:52 PM »

Jerry Cunningham ( Montana & Orion ) , Numrich Arms.

Daryl · « **Reply #15 on:** November 16, 2022, 07:37:36 PM »

Ahhh yes - memory jog - I have seen that muzzle treatment on a Numrich barrel.

smylee grouch · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2022, 12:59:53 AM »

I have a 50 Numrich barrel and the cuts appear to be wider on mine. $:-\$

Jim Curlee · « **Reply #17 on:** November 17, 2022, 02:47:24 PM »

Wow, you guys are sure diggin deep, but we still don't have an answer. lol
I thought I had the answer, but all I did was open another can of worms.
Maybe I should have sent the question to Jeopardy. lol

Off hand, somebody mentioned Italian/Spanish makers.
Were they actually making muzzleloaders at the same time as Dixie?
I'm thinkin Dixie has been around for quite some time.

Jim

smylee grouch · « **Reply #18 on:** November 17, 2022, 05:28:45 PM »

I don't think Dixie made the rifles they sold. The rifling in your barrel looks too deep for a Dixie barrel IMHO.

Daryl · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2022, 06:02:38 AM »

The rifling does look like it's a good .010" to .012" deep.

bob in the woods · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2022, 04:28:55 PM »

Everything about that barrel says " off shore" to me.

Daryl · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2022, 07:23:16 PM »

"Someone" smoothed the crown a bit and that isn't normal for offshore or onshore for that matter.

oldtravler61 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2022, 08:48:43 PM »

How about showing a picture of the stock. ? That might tell us the maker and from that who made the barrel. My guess is of Spanish origin.

rich pierce · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2022, 09:55:37 PM »

Does it matter who made it? How does it shoot?

Jim Curlee · « **Reply #24 on:** November 19, 2022, 02:45:46 PM »

You are right, the gun shoot's, what else is there.
Obviously, this does matter to some people, or I wouldn't have to find out who made the components. lol

I was just trying to gather some info for the next guy that owns the rifle.

It's just that when I get the info, I forget to write it down, then forget where I put the info if I do write it down. lol

Jim

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