It is a rather brutish, 8.5 lb 12ga, 30" barrels. I also have an original 20ga, 32" barrels that is a more "birdy" 6.5 pounds. I wanted to build a smaller bore but did not find a suitable set of barrel in less than 12ga at the time. I have everything I need to build a 20ga now, except the ambition. Actually, I have two sets of English locks (to be finished yet) and a couple REAL nice thick blanks of walnut that I bought from Chris Laubach many years ago specifically for a couple double flints along with a very nice set of German 20ga deep etched barrels with straight rifling and another set of barrels that I got from Taylor years ago. I even have a Rupp/Kuntz inspired rifle that has been sitting about 80% done for the last 14 years. Was actually thinking of sending that out to have someone finish it for me. I dunno. Anyways, I would LOVE to come hunt with you over dogs but Penn is a LONG ways from northern Alberta.