Look how fast this Manton ignition is

[flatsguide]

Starts at 1’ 16”

[Seth Isaacson]

Manton locks are incredible works of the lock making art. They were constantly working on improved designs.

[taterbug]

yes, there was much competition in that time period to improve lock times. 

[Daryl]

Good video, tks.

[smylee grouch]

Wouldn't a Manton half stock be a great idea for a Kibler kit?

[Daryl]

Oh yeah. Now THAT is one kit I'd have to come up with the funds, for.

[flatsguide]

I’d would really like a late Manton lock like that without the ‘gravitating’ lock for an upcoming project.
Cheers Richard

[alacran]

Oh yeah. Now THAT is one kit I'd have to come up with the funds, for.

I'm sure Taylor would be pleased to assemble and finish it for you.
I would be actually tempted to buy such a kit if it was ever offered.

[Pukka Bundook]

I have sometimes wondered why we do not see locks like this produced, or the later Vee or  U shaped pans.
Apart from cost that is!

The cost was high even at that time.

[Daryl]

Taylor and I discussed this thread today while we were shooting the postal match.
We both agreed that my L&R Dickert lock & put on the .45 GM bl. rifle and sold, was amazingly fast, was as fast as the Manton of the video.
The way we put if, just as fast as "some" of the Chamber's locks he's had.
alacran, if the kit was like the last kit they offered, I might be able to accomplish the 'build' myself.

[Bob Roller]

Taylor and I discussed this thread today while we were shooting the postal match.
We both agreed that my L&R Dickert lock & put on the .45 GM bl. rifle and sold, was amazingly fast, was as fast as the Manton of the video.
The way we put if, just as fast as "some" of the Chamber's locks he's had.
alacran, if the kit was like the last kit they offered, I might be able to accomplish the 'build' myself.

The L&R small Manton locks with a mechanism like I made for them worked well and must of them were sent to Germany for a target pistol copied from a Boutete supposedly owned by Napoleon.Reproducing the small mechanisms of antique Mantons is not a good idea and I looked at these and would not try to use them.Too much shrinkage and after cleaning them with files and polishing there is little left.
Bob Roller

[flatsguide]

So Bob are you saying to just use the plate, cock and frizzen and hand make the internals?
Thanks Richard

[Bob Roller]

Yes,unless the cast parts are exceptionally well done and most cast parts I have seen using undersized parts from an antique is at least to me a waste of time.I made 2 sets of Mantons for a man in Tennessee years ago and made the mechanisms from my usual materials.
The LOCK is the mechanism behind the plate and a good one can be made by someone with experience.There is no reason a fancy group of external parts can't be cast IF good moulds are made for them.If good machinery is in your shop there is no reason a good lock can't be made and I have them all over the world.The locks for the Tennessee customer were found unused on a shelf in his bedroom closet and I told his son in law that those 4 should be worth about $1000.I am done with these odd jobs and enjoying not being in the shop.I don't know who is making what now specialty locks but there must be someone who can but getting that someone to do it is????The springs are the heart of any lock and after decades of making them I have proven the worth of material and experience.
Bob Roller

[flatsguide]

Thanks Bob! Too bad we missed each other at the CLA show, I wanted to meet you AND pick your brain. Just today I ordered, and were in stock, from The Rifle Shoppe, a plate, and frizzen for a late Manton lock. Not the ‘V’ pan lock. One thing that interested me was the lockplate has a thick bolster to use on a gun or rifle with a rebated patent breech. My plan is to build a late flint sporting rifle using this lock. It will be hooked breech and I’ll make the tang and patent breech from a bar of 8620 I’ve got in the rack.I'm right behind you in age, but most days I can make it into the shop for 3 or four hours till my backs starts kicking my a##. Between you, Rolf, Curtis and a few others that have paved the way and documented their work I may be able to fuddle my way through and get a working lock.
Thanks Richard

[Flint62Smoothie]

In the video I liked that the late Jim Scoutten referred to the frizzen as the hammer, as it used to be called!

[Daryl]

I agree Flint62Smoothie, this does not happen often.