Flintlock Rifled Musket with W.M. Large Barrel

[BigSkyRambler]

I am not well versed in military muskets of the flintlock era.  I have on the way a rifled musket with a Bill Large barrel.  Seems to be set up for competition, with sights and dished cheek on stock.  Plus, the Large barrel is not a typical "reenactment" piece feature.  Any idea what model this represents? Not in my hands yet, just trying to get a handle on it. Thanks in advance.

[Pukka Bundook]

What's with the pan, Big Sky?

Never seen one like that before..
All the best,
Rich.

[BigSkyRambler]

Not sure.  Looks like brass.  Attaching another auction pic.

[Mike Brooks]

It's a NSSA competition gun or possibly for International matches.. What model I don't know. Completely out of my wheel house.

[Seth Isaacson]

The French 1777 had a dished cheekpiece on the stock as did the Springfield Model 1812 that was based on it. Maybe it was built for competing in the same category as guns like the U.S. Model 1817 Common Rifle?
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/83/1122/documented-us-springfield-model-1812-type-ii-flintlock-musket

[Daryl]

The Model 1836 rifle had the slanted brass pan, but the comb is different.

[Bob Roller]

It's a NSSA competition gun or possibly for International matches.. What model I don't know. Completely out of my wheel house.

Out of mine too and I have seen tilted brass pans on military locks but never really looked close at one.
I don't remember Bill making a 69 caliber rifled barrel but can't say he didn't have tools to do it.
I am assuming it IS 69 caliber and not 54 or 58.
Bob Roller

[old george]

The 1809 potsdams had the dish stock and brass pans before they were converted to percussion,

george

[BigSkyRambler]

It's a NSSA competition gun or possibly for International matches.. What model I don't know. Completely out of my wheel house.

Out of mine too and I have seen tilted brass pans on military locks but never really looked close at one.
I don't remember Bill making a 69 caliber rifled barrel but can't say he didn't have tools to do it.
I am assuming it IS 69 caliber and not 54 or 58.
Bob Roller

Auction says .50.

[BigSkyRambler]

It seems to have originally been one of these.

https://www.collectorsfirearms.com/products/28369-gorgeous-french-modele-1777-corrige-an-ix-dragoon-flintlock-musket-al4852.html

[Hawkeye2]

It's a Springfield but possibly a fantasy piece.  The correct bore diameter for a converted to rifled smoothbore with a rear sight would be .69 however it would have been converted to percussion at the same time rather than remain a flint gun.

[varsity07840]

It's a Springfield but possibly a fantasy piece.  The correct bore diameter for a converted to rifled smoothbore with a rear sight would be .69 however it would have been converted to percussion at the same time rather than remain a flint gun.

I'm curious as to whether or not it's rifled for a minie or round ball. I built a similar one in flint with original 1816 wood and hardware using a Whitacre barrel with 3 groove rifling for a minie. The rear sight is a simple fixed type similar to an 1817.

[BigSkyRambler]

It's a Springfield but possibly a fantasy piece.  The correct bore diameter for a converted to rifled smoothbore with a rear sight would be .69 however it would have been converted to percussion at the same time rather than remain a flint gun.

I'm curious as to whether or not it's rifled for a minie or round ball. I built a similar one in flint with original 1816 wood and hardware using a Whitacre barrel with 3 groove rifling for a minie. The rear sight is a simple fixed type similar to an 1817.

The auction description says ".50?", which I assume means they just gave it a squint.  As a previous commenter said, likely set up for martial flintlock competitions with the Bill Large barrel.

[Clowdis]

Could this be a Charleville with a rifled barrel? The buttstock is exactly how they did a lot of Charleville so they would be more comfortable to shoot and the lock is similar. Maybe somebody just added the rifled barrel just for the heck of it?

[Hungry Horse]

 French muskets made at the Maubeug armory had brass pans long before the revolutionary war in America.

Hungry Horse

[TPH]

It appears to be an original US M1816/22 musket with new made barrel by a top maker, nothing "fantasy" about it except for the severe stock modification.  Mr. Large would make an exact exterior duplicate of a barrel - rifled or smooth bore in any caliber - if you would send him your barrel - a drop in replacement so that you could have an interchangeable new barrel to use in your original musket.  I had a 45 or so minute conversation with him on this subject back in the late 1980s and he was very friendly.  I enjoyed the conversation, even after receiving the phone bill.  Too bad the original barrel wasn't included in your purchase. 

[Hawkeye2]

I called it a "fantasy" piece as no 1816/22/36 would ever have had a rifled barrel with a rear sight while in the flint configuration.  It would have been converted to percussion at the time it was rifled and the sight added.

[johngross]

Whatever one chooses to call it, the Model 1855/61 rear sight for a .58 caliber rifle-musket and blade front sight are totally out of whack for a flintlock musket. Of course, if you want a shooter and prefer better sights vs. authenticity, then go for it.