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Pukka Bundook
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Re: Need some help Identifying this English Flintlock
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November 02, 2023, 05:11:22 AM »
The lock has to be a replacement, as if not, the panel is very uneven. If you imagine that "chip" in place, that makes an awful uneven looking panel.
If the lock is original "I'll eat hay with a nag" as they used to say back home.
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Dennis Glazener
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November 02, 2023, 12:08:03 PM »
I agree, no doubt in my mind that isn't the original lock for that mortise. The website photo are much better and give better detail.
Dennis
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WisconsinShooter
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Re: Need some help Identifying this English Flintlock
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November 03, 2023, 09:32:20 PM »
Gun arrived today. Here are some additional pictures as requested. The screws holding the lock in place were very loose. Upon tightening the screws the lock does sit a bit differently in the mortise. The fit does now seem better to me. A fairly large chip did definitely occur in the rear of the mortise. The fit of the lock in all other areas is very good (except where additional wood loss occurred). I also attached photos of the proof marks, the inside of the lock and the mortise with the lock removed. Your continued evaluation and comments are greatly appreciated.
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Clark Badgett
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November 05, 2023, 07:58:56 PM »
Definitely a replacement lock, but a cool one. Those locks came in by the barrel full. Probably cheaper to use a new replacement lock than repair the original. Is there a makers name on the current lock? The original should have been a Ketland.
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Psalms 144
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November 05, 2023, 09:35:29 PM »
There is no makers name on the current lock. The lock does seem to be in very good condition. Am I correct that the marking on the barrel is the Ketlands makers mark?
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Clark Badgett
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November 05, 2023, 09:50:19 PM »
I do think the WK would indicate a William Ketland, a brother to Thomas Ketland Sr. That might be the first time I’ve seen a triple tulip stamped lockplate.
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Psalms 144
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Re: Need some help Identifying this English Flintlock
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November 07, 2023, 06:02:57 PM »
Hi,
Those are definitely private ordnance proof marks on the barrel and likely William Ketland (son of Thomas) as the maker. He died in 1804 so it is likely the barrel was made before then. The lock is almost certainly replacement and was not likely made by any of the Ketlands. I suspect it is some sort of copy. I believe the gun was a Ketland product from the late 18th century (after 1790 or so) and the original lock was lost. The replacement looks like the inexpensive Ketland export products from the 19th century but is a copy not made by them. I suspect the original lock was of significantly higher quality.
dave
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