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Offline BigSkyRambler

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Short Trade Musket
« on: October 02, 2023, 12:21:32 AM »
Not sure of precise name for this, so short trade musket to start conversation. Looks to be pretty good quality.  Nice heavy browning on barrel. No markings on barrel.  Can someone ID maker of lock from stamp on inside? Thanks in advance.










Offline Hungry Horse

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Re: Short Trade Musket
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2023, 08:42:41 PM »
 This is a cheap entry level chiefs grade trade gun made with some India made hardware from Dixie gunworks along with a Belgian shotgun barrel from the same source. The reason I know this is I built a similar chiefs grade trade gun with the same parts. Mine did use a thirty inch barrel, that I hand filed octagon flats on the top of the breach, and added wedding rings. These barrels were sold pre-proof, but mine has shot some stiff loads without any problems.

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Re: Short Trade Musket
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2023, 10:26:57 PM »
I agree with Hungry Horse.  I think I have a side plate and butt plate in my parts drawer like these.  I think these might have gone to a blunderbuss years back that had a brass barrel and a flintlock that had LOTT on it.  James Levy
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Re: Short Trade Musket
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2023, 12:07:48 AM »
The lock is much better than any current Indian locks.  I have a couple of Indian guns for reference.  None of their locks are stamped as such - just crude numbers and internals much rougher.

Offline Mike Brooks

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Re: Short Trade Musket
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2023, 02:02:38 AM »
I believe the lock is a siler gunmakers lock.
Those castings were sold by Dixie gunworks back in the day. I always lusted after them. Never did buy any.
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Re: Short Trade Musket
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2023, 02:26:05 AM »
 Just for reference I built a shorty like this for an old friend (now long gone) that not only killed an elk bull up in Idaho with one shot from his shorty, but darn near blew it up the next day hunting grouse. He was an old cattle rancher that had at one time or another run his hands through all kinds of machinery, so he didn’t have much feeling in those old paws. I think in the cold weather he didn’t get the shot load down on the powder charge, or maybe the wad sealed so well it pushed the wad back up the bore after he rammed it down. In either case it kicked him real good, and blew the wood off behind the breech tang. He brought it home and I took it apart. The cross bolts were all bent, and the upward tang screw was also. The barrel pins were almost impossible to get out, and looked like miniature bicycle handlebars. He came as close to blowing a gun up as I’ve ever seen without actually doing it. I measured the barrel on the outside, and ran some oversized wad through it to check for bulges. I checked the breechplug to see if the threads had started to pull, but they were all good. Then we tied it down and shot a few times with his regular charge. All worked out just fine. He shot that little gun until he could no longer go shooting, his son shoots it now.
 That is also one of those Belgian unproofed barrels from Turner Kirkland. You wouldn’t dare sell that today.

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Re: Short Trade Musket
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2023, 03:05:01 AM »
I think I still have one of those buttplates laying around somewhere.

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Re: Short Trade Musket
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2023, 08:10:52 PM »
About six years ago, an acquaintance of mine found the remains of a trade gun in the shallows of Bobtail Lake, near Prince George, BC.  He gave it to me to study, and I have concluded that it is a Northwest Trade Gun from around 1865, according to my sources.  This gun appears to be 24 or 28 gauge, has no charge in the barrel, but was obviously smashed in some violent incident.  I'm sure if it could speak, it would have an exciting and interesting story.  With the images of this relic, I post a picture of a trade gun from that same era, for comparison.







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