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help with longrifle I.D.
« on: December 28, 2009, 01:05:47 AM »
Through some twists of fate I have inherited my gg grandfathers percussion long rifle.
He was born in 1831 in the Washington county Ohio area.

The rifle has a 40 in. six sided barrel of what looks to be .36 cal. and has the word "henry" stamped longways in the barrel about 10 inches from the breech.

The lock is PSJ and company warranted, buck horn rear sight, and a full stock.

The gun looks to have had a hard life, maybe as an emergency brake for a run away wagon? It's in sad shape but I would like to find out more about the gun if I could.

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Re: help with longrifle I.D.
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2009, 03:23:50 AM »
Welcome to the ALR. Sounds like a neat rifle. How about a picture or three. We learn by seeing and everyone here is a teacher.

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2009, 05:10:52 AM »


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Not to sure about loading photos to a forum, hope these work

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2009, 05:23:29 AM »
It look's interesting. What kind of repair are we seeing in the second photo ?   How about a few more photos ?   Can you get a photo of the entire rifle ?
« Last Edit: December 28, 2009, 05:25:44 AM by longrifle »

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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2009, 05:30:34 AM »
I love those repairs. Someone was really fighting to keep this old girl in service. More pictures of both sides would really help. How about closeups of lock and patchbox if any. Thanks.

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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2009, 05:51:16 AM »

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Hope these help, the repairs are something else, square nails, tacks, brass strips, bands and what ever else he had at his disposal.
The stock is broken through the wrist but strangly enough the stock doesn't twist like its broke completely through.

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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 06:05:36 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 06:08:56 AM »


I apologise for taking up so much space with the photo's, how do I down size them? Photobucket doesn't seem to want to keep them smaller..

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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 06:10:25 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 07:32:00 AM »
Don't downsize them. They show good detail. A little boiled linseed oil rubbed in well might make it look a little better. Don't overdo it. If you search this site for Henry, I think you'll find some history.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 08:39:40 AM »
Thank you for letting us have a look at your grand Henry rifle. If it were mine I would rub a coat or two of Gordon's English Cabinet Makers Wax on all of it, buff off lightly and call it good. Your gun has built up a coat of great patina, you can't buy it or even duplicate it exactly and how it is retained will have a bearing on the untimate value for the piece.
Henry is said to have made rifles for the Western and Indian trade, but most of these are half stocked rifles, so to run across a full stocked gun is better yet. 
This really is a great attic find and you are fortunate to receive it. Thanks again.
Dick

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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2009, 04:51:55 PM »
I know one thing about you, you can't count too well......."six sided barrel?????"    I don't think so.........Don

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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2009, 04:52:53 PM »
Very nice looking old rifle you are very lucky to have it. Like the guy's said some light carefull cleaning and a little wax and buff and it will be ready to hang on the wall. ;)

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2009, 05:24:30 PM »
I know one thing about you, you can't count too well......."six sided barrel?????"    I don't think so.........Don

Sorry Don, my mistake, I was refering to the six sided bore, of course the outside has eight sides.
Thanks guys for the help.

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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2009, 09:01:55 PM »
Was it mine, I'd clean it with a damp cloth, water with No soap, to take off some of the dirt. Then put a coat of wax on the stock.
Put a drop of oil on the buttplate screws to slow down the rust, and light coat of oil on the rest of the metal. An oiled brass bristle brush will clean the bore, as it looks pretty good, and help keep it that way.
For a collector, the value isn't much, but as it's a family gun, value is of little importance.
You're a lucky to have it!
John
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Re: help with longrifle I.D.
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2009, 10:15:20 PM »
It sure looks like a Henry built for the trade. Maybe not the Rocky Mountain trade but it was on a store's shelf somewhere. That seems to be a warranted Parker lock. Hanson shows that lock on a half stock but I bet a full stock was a bit less expensive in the percussion era. It seems that Henry made full and half stocks, percussion and flintlocks at the same time, just like Leman. I love the bore, does anyone cut one like that now?

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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2009, 01:04:11 AM »
Many of the rifles by Henry have this same lock made by Philip S. Justice & Co. of Philadelphia. Justice was also a dealer for rifles produced by Henry.

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Re: help with longrifle I.D.
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2009, 01:16:50 AM »
This gun has the Justice lock. I have been doing a search of the henry gun factory which it seems was in the Pennsylvania area?
Was this the Henry gun works that turned into the later Henry repeaters?

Sure seems alot of Henry's involved with guns J Henry and such, and Henry is the middle name of my great grandfather and I live in Henry!

Thanks again guys for your time.

Still searching..........

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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2009, 05:20:23 AM »
Just joking, I hear a lot of guys talking about their guns with "hexagon" barrels, not realizing it's not the right word...Don

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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2009, 05:37:10 AM »
That is a nice old gun with family history, It deserves a light clean up and would look good hanging on the wall. I would be interested in seeing another photo of   it after a light cleaning. That is a nice old gun.

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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2009, 05:51:51 AM »
Personally, this is exactly what gets me going.  A rifle...totally the way it came out of storage.  I'd probably let it exactly as is for months, allowing all my close friends to see it "in the raw."  Then I would take the "less-is-more" approach to cleaning.  Most desirable, just as is. Show me another one that has recently surfaced in such undefiled shape, let alone one that has remained that way.  JWH

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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2009, 07:49:27 AM »
My grandfather was a gunsmith and had rifles, pistols and stuff stashed and hidden all over the property. Seems he had trouble with stuff disapearing and didn't want any one to know what he had.
Anyway, he died in 1997 and I bought the place. My dad and my two uncles had pretty much found all the gun stuff and I was left with a huge pile of rusty junk.
I salvaged three shotguns and restored them, nothing special.
Last summer I needed a new flourecent tube for the overhead above the bench, so I went around to the furnace and reached behind there where there were a bunch standing, and I felt something unusual.
It was definately heavier than a flourecent tube! Well first out came an old lever action that was still in decent shape, then came out this old longrifle.
I called dad, he came over and confiscated the lever action as he had been looking for that one. The long rifle he said probably belonged to his great grandfather.
He said when he was a kid he remembered running the ramrod down the barrel and finding some kind of black goop.
Well, ran the rod down it and sure enough, some heavy black goop. Must be the same gun! The initials in the plate oposite of the lock M.P. proves it may be the same gun. Hiding behind the furnace definately kept it dry. I don't want to restore it, but I would like to give it a gentle cleaning just to get the shop dirt off it. Who knows, maybe I could make it shootable and run a few rounds through it? Well, maybe not. ;D

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2010, 07:45:58 PM »
The commercial lock you say is marked PSJ. That's Philip S Justice of Philadelphia. He was strange guns at beginning of US Civil War, some of which were absolute junk. He was a major hardware dealer and after 1865 a major operative in iron/ steel industry.