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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler
« Reply #75 on: February 24, 2024, 02:19:42 AM »
Hi Craig,
Die sinker's chisels are simply strong solid steel engraving tools that can be used for engraving and sculpting metal.  Years ago tool and die makers were the elite craftsmen in machine shops.  They used the chisels to create things like decorative molds used in stamping metal. For example, they might make an intricate mold of a rococo shell that then was used to stamp the heads of silver or silver plated silverware. I believe they are virtually an extinct species now. Hence, no one seems to make the chisels anymore. Here is a photo of me using one to sculpt silver.
     


I sharpen them much like gravers.  I have a flat, polished granite tile and on that I have 2 ceramic stones of very fine and ultra fine grits that are 1/2" thick. I lubricate the stones with a mix of water, mild dish detergent, and Ballistol.  First, I hold the 45 degree angled faces flat against the stones and polish them.  Then I create a tiny heel on the bases of the tips by placing a polished 5/8" steel rod on the tile and against the edge of the finest stone. Then I rest the chisel on the rod with the one edge of the cutting surface on the stone about 1/2 way across the stone and rub it back and forth. Then I turn the chisel to the other cutting face and repeat.  On a flat bottomed chisel, I place the bottom on the stone to polish a little heel and on round bottomed chisels, I place the bottom  of the chisel on the stone and rock it back and forth using the curve of the bottom as a fulcrum.  That creates the tiny heel needed for engraving and metal sculpting.  I taught myself how to use the chisels and after a lot of practice and hard work, I've learned to use them pretty well.  I also use them to cut authentic teeth in  flintcock jaws.



Sadly something no modern lock makers do and try to foist on us stupid useless grooves.

dave
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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler
« Reply #76 on: February 24, 2024, 11:35:14 PM »
Many thanks, Dave.  I have quite a few varied rifflers, both steel and diamond, but no actual chisels.  I do have some O-1 steel rods that can be used to make chisels that could cut brass, especially if the brass were annealed.

The tools of our trade can be as interesting as a rifle/smooth bore itself.

Greatly admire the work that you do, and the thought that goes into it.

Unfortunately, age is taking its toll on my antique body.  Becoming more difficult each day, it seems - even the everyday chores of cooking, cleaning, and taking care of my furry friends.  Yet, I still enjoy doing what I can with what I have.

The die-sinker chisels will enable me to finally clean up the brass jaeger bits I have.  Planning to make another Kibler first, however, a Colonial to go with my beautiful Woodsriver.
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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler
« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2024, 02:39:55 AM »
Hi,
Trigger guard is engraved.  Now I just need to engrave the side plate and finish the lock and barrel.











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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler
« Reply #78 on: March 05, 2024, 02:48:57 AM »
Hi,
The lock and side plate are engraved.  The lock still needs a little tweaking for best performance but is going to be a very fine lock in the end, albeit very different from the lock I bought from TOW.  Engraving the lock plate gave me fits.  The cast metal just seemed to have variable density and it was very hard to cut clean borders. The metal I welded on to the plate at the rear for the third lock bolt engraved much more smoothly.  The flint cock, which is from Chambers engraved so much easier and the frizzen made from a higher carbon alloy did as well.  The lock plate was difficult but it worked out fine in the end.
 




I have no images of the back side of the frizzen on the original gun but I suspect it was engraved in some French fashion. So I went to my French pattern books and adapted a design and cut it.  I also finished engraving the side plate.  I copied the original but had to make some changes because the dimensions of the plate are a little different owing to differences in the size of the lock.  A gun is a system and you cannot change just one thing. Anyway, it came out well and really looks the authentic part.




I still need to finish the barrel and then make the ramrod.  The barrel is 50" long and I only have rods 48".  So I am going to turn a long steel ferrule.  I am not sure the owner of the gun has a cleaning rod long enough so I may have to make that as well. The rod in the gun may have a tow worm and the other a modern threaded ferrule. Those details are why a gun like this takes so much time to produce.  I can make 2-3 other guns in the time this one takes because almost everything on this fowler had to be hand made. 

More to come.

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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler
« Reply #79 on: March 05, 2024, 03:26:09 AM »
Side plate has a great feel to it. Looks just right.
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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2024, 05:13:09 PM »
Wow.  There doesn't appear to be a single aspect of this gun that isn't either New England or French.  Very, very, well done by someone who clearly hunts down historical correctness, obstacles be d***ed. 

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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler
« Reply #81 on: March 09, 2024, 03:25:36 AM »
Hi,
Thanks Rich and Jennison.  The fowler is almost done.  I should be able to post final photos on Sunday or Monday.  The front sight is mortised into the barrel but I also added solder for insurance. 



I had a left over silver sprue button so I melted it in a crucible so gravity formed it into a perfect little round button in the bottom of the crucible.  Then I hammered and flattened it into a perfect round shape on my little anvil.  Next I cut it in half to make the half moon sight. I marked its dimensions on the barrel after finding the center.  I mark the center of the barrel by laying it upside down on a flat surface. The flat barrel tang and top flat of the octagon section hold the barrel horizontally level on the bench.  I put a thin file under the barrel where the sight is located and draw it out from under the barrel.  That makes a perfect center mark on the round part of the barrel near the muzzle.  The sight is located almost 5" back from the muzzle where the flat sighting plane ends. I cut the outline of the base into the barrel using a square graver and a series of parallel lines lengthwise in the mortise.  Here are photos from a pistol I made.
 


Using a 1/8" wide flat bottomed die sinker's chisel, I cut out the mortise. 


Then I go around the edges with a knife edged chisel that undercuts the edges. I use a tiny triangular file to cut little dovetails in the ends of the sight and connect the tops of them on each side with tiny grooves cut with a jeweler's saw.  I flux the mortise and sight, tap it into the mortise, which holds it in position. and then sweat solder from one side of the sight to the other.  After soldering, I clean up the excess solder, and then peen the barrel along the ends and sides of the sight with a hammer and punch so the steel barrel locks the sight in place.  It should hold fine even without the solder. I don't measure any depth or do any machining.  It is all done by eye and it goes very quickly. 

I drilled the 5/64" diameter vent hole.  The owner does not want a vent liner, just a hole like the original.  Under that circumstance and given the thick barrel walls at the breech, I am no fan of the "sunset" position of the hole relative to the pan on the lock. I want the hole buried a little bit into the pan.  As Larry Pletcher showed in his tests, the radiant heat from the pan that ignites the charge peaks after priming powder burns down into the pan a little.  With a thick barrel wall and simple touch hole, the peak of radiant heat means more reliable ignition.  It does not mean the fastest ignition.  There is a trade off.  That is why you generally see vent holes lower than "sunset" position on most military guns.  Anyway, this gun has a relatively big vent hole positioned just below the top of the pan.  It will be very reliable and representative of the guns from the time.

I made the ramrod.  On this gun even the ramrod was a challenge.  It had to be tapered, which I do on my lathe. I can only get 48" hickory blanks so I had to add 2 inches.  I made a long iron ferrule to add that length and made and attached a spring steel tow worm.  The worm is tightly hammered into a hole in the ferrule and then soldered.
     



The original gun also has a rod with a silver tip at the muzzle.  So I turned the end of the rod to form the internal diameter post for the tip.  Then I cut silver sheet the size needed, annealed it, and bent it around a drill the inside diameter of the ferrule. I measured the silver so the butt joint was exactly at the right diameter. Then I low temp silver soldered it together.  I fitted the collar to the rod making sure the end of the wood would support the silver end cap.  I scribed a circle in silver sheet, cut it out with a jeweler's saw, and tinned it with solder.  Then I laid it on top of the silver collar and heated it until it sat down and was soldered in place. Then I ground off the excess, glued the tip and tow worm to the ramrod, pinned the ferrule for the worm, sanded the rod, stained and started coating it with finish.



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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #82 on: March 11, 2024, 12:52:34 AM »
Hi,
It is done, finally.  All the fiddly stuff at the end took forever.  I need to let the finish cure and then put on a light coat of Renaissance Wax.  I also need to test fire it.  The owner did not want a vent liner so I just drilled a simple hole. The finish on the cherry stock is Sutherland Welles polymerized tung oil.  I added some bone black shading and tarnished the metal a little. You can see how the staining with black during the whiskering process embedded a shadow effect in the wood making the cherry glow.  It is 62 caliber with a 50" barrel by FCI that I modified a great deal.  In fact, not one component on this gun was used as bought.  Everything was hand made or modified extensively from a commercial product.  It weighs 7 lbs 10oz compared with the original gun that weighed 7 lbs 6 oz.   

Enjoy.

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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #83 on: March 11, 2024, 09:59:40 PM »
Outstanding!
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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #84 on: March 12, 2024, 06:40:12 AM »
Very nice.

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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #85 on: March 12, 2024, 12:06:33 PM »
Stunning!!!
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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #86 on: March 12, 2024, 01:35:52 PM »
Beautiful work of art.

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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #87 on: March 12, 2024, 01:54:23 PM »
Boy that’s a beauty.

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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #88 on: March 12, 2024, 05:17:04 PM »
This piece is clearly by a maker with tremendous knowledge, ability and an unusually keen eye for the granular.   

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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #89 on: March 12, 2024, 05:52:09 PM »
Very very beautiful!!

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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #90 on: March 12, 2024, 06:24:10 PM »
What a journey!  Thanks so much for sharing and taking us along.  And, of course, the culmination is just fantastic.

Folks, if you think just doing such a project is a big task, also think about stopping to take pics, and trying to make sure the pics show what you want them to show.  And then to put it all into posts here, and have it make the sense you want it to.  But it is possible that the break to take pics provides a bit of a breather and time to think about the next task.  Maybe... but still much more than my brain thinks it can handle!! So well done on so many fronts.

Thank you again!!

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Re: Another Hawk New England Fowler FINISHED
« Reply #91 on: March 12, 2024, 10:14:45 PM »
What a beautiful fowler! I really like the stock finish and will try your technique on my cherry stock -- it really does glow.

Thanks for taking the time to document your builds, Dave. It's incredibly helpful; I have printed out this entire build (and others you have posted) to help me learn the craft. They sit in a binder next to the "must-have" books on my bench.

Nothing like a cherry-stocked fowler to make me miss New England!

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