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Offline Kurt

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Graf's brand Black Powder?
« on: March 19, 2024, 11:43:23 PM »
Is it good powder? Thanks.

Offline Ghillie

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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2024, 11:54:43 PM »
supposed to be the same a Schutzen

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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2024, 12:54:53 AM »
Ghillie, thank you.

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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2024, 01:34:43 AM »
It’s been good for me.
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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2024, 02:11:26 AM »
rich pierce, thank you. I ordered some.

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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2024, 09:15:51 PM »
I ordered powder from Graf's about two years ago.  It has been more than just satisfactory  giving excellent accuracy and velocities in every gun I've used it in.  It may not have been Schutzen that Graf's packaged that long ago as I'd been hearing it was Goex at that time.  Regardless who manufactured the powder it is top grade.
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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2024, 09:46:00 PM »
Maybe,JUST maybe they got a load of Curtis&Harvey from the foggy empire and relabled or repackaged it.I remember it was very good and preferred it to the exclusion of anything else.I still have a can of it.
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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2024, 11:37:40 PM »
I ordered Graf's brand label. I went to Buffalo Arms but the day I was on their site they were all out of stock so I bought from Grafs. Buffalo has powder now. I don't know if it was a computer glitch or they got a shipment but they now have Goex, Shuetzen, and Swiss. My order is to arrive tomorrow. I saved $17 on the purchase I made. I plan to use Pyrodex in my percussion guns and the Grafs in my flintlocks. After I ordered I learned the 2F I am getting is a granulation somewhere between 3F-2F Goex. I hope it works, I believe it will be fine.

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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2024, 05:21:31 PM »
I have been using Graf & Son powder for quite sometime. It has been accurate, burns well, and I can’t tell any changes in velocity. They ship quickly with good customer service. Jerry

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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2024, 07:05:12 PM »
I'm in complete agreement with Jerry.
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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2024, 08:26:24 PM »
I plan to use Pyrodex in my percussion guns and the Grafs in my flintlocks.

Kurt - please don't use Pyrodex in anything. It will rot the bores.  Use real black powder only.
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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2024, 09:44:33 PM »
Thanks for all your replies. I understand Grafs brand is made by Schutzen the brand I started using yesterday. My 50-yard group shrank to about an inch and a half immediately but that might also be the result of cleaning my eyeglasses. It seemed to have more of a crack than a boom but I could be imagining that. I will keep my eye on my Pyrodex use as I am averse to throwing things away. Thanks again to everyone!

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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2024, 11:07:15 PM »
I've heard it can be used as fertilizer. If actually good for that, that would be the only thing it is good for.
Fertilizer and/or inlines.
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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2024, 10:35:23 AM »
I plan to use Pyrodex in my percussion guns and the Grafs in my flintlocks.

Kurt - please don't use Pyrodex in anything. It will rot the bores.  Use real black powder only.

I have used Graf's powder for decades, and it has always been good.

Conversely, back when Pyrodex first came out, a friend thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. However, his gun would rust fairly quickly, even after a thorough cleaning. He just couldn't figure out why that gun rusted so bad. The rust was so bad, he even named that gun, Old Rust. After quite some time, as my old friend was hard headed, we convinced said friend to switch back to black. Astonishingly, for him, the rust went, completely, away after a few sessions of shooting "old black". IMHO, Pyrodex is cancer to ML bores.

I have, also, had a few adventures with people, new to shooting black powder, whose caplocks refused to fire Pyrodex, under nearly any circumstances. The Pyrodex caked in the breech so bad, that the nipple and "clean out screw" had to be removed to pick solidified Pyrodex out of the bolster. In one case, the nipple was replaced, but the "clean out hole" needed to be left open to vent the gas from the solid mass of Pyromud, because the caked, former powder, would not ignite with the breech fully assembled. A jet of gas spewed from that clean out for roughly a half a minute before the main charge detonated.  After the third time clearing this one person's piece, I gave up and handed my him my horn to use while shooting the course. He became a believer, in "old black" and bought a pound from one of the traders.

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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2024, 09:14:06 PM »
I really like Schutzen - Grafs plainly states Schutzen makes the private label . Although I can buy Schutzen locally - if not the case I would order from Grafs I have been very happy with their service over the years .
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Re: Graf's brand Black Powder?
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2024, 10:17:09 PM »
I'm on my, I think, third case of Schutzen/Graf's. I must like it! If you keep an eye on their page, they regularly offer shipping without hazmat. I can't say if there is a minimum order for that. Buying by the case is the only sensible way to buy it. It only hurts once. Then when you go out to shoot, put ten bucks in an envelope every time, and you should have your next case prepaid!
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