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jwh1947

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A call for accuracy and detail
« on: December 29, 2009, 08:43:22 AM »
We have a useful site here; as a matter of fact, it is an excellent one.  There is one suggestion that I do have that can only make it better.  There is a tendency, myself included, to occasionally make sweeping generalizations about guns, often based on a few fuzzy and/or incomplete photos.  We need to exercise caution with this.

For the advancement of our knowledge, it would help those of us who are not experts in your specific field if you would, for instance, say not only something like "this strikes me as a southern Virginia gun," but also explain why you say this. Perhaps there are some distinctions in hardware, or architecture, or a tell-tale trait that would help all of us gain from your knowledge if we could acquire an understanding of details.  Any consideration we pay to this can only enhance our educational effort.  Thanks for considering. I'll try to do likewise. Wayne 


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Re: A call for accuracy and detail
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 03:40:52 PM »
Wayne.........you have been in the collecting thing a long time.    Do you recall all the guns that you may have looked at
and many times when they could not readily be recognized to belong to one our standard "schools", the assumption was
made that "it must be a southern gun"...remember.....even Shumway did this............Don

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Re: A call for accuracy and detail
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 08:54:32 PM »
Absolutely! Allow me to blab once more, then I'll shut up on this...promise. Maybe if we consider the basic medical model we could make some progress on some of these pieces.  In the process of diagnosis, it is normal to continue to rule out until you have a pathological condition identified to treat.  Surely skill and knowledge go a long way in making a correct diagnosis, but they follow a procedure based on science...hopefully.  This requires specific analysis and educated minds.  

Finally, behold the specialization of psychiatry.  The psychiatrist knows that we classify the norm based our own convenience, and that the bizarre cases help establish the norm, just as do the many "normal" people.  Their written textual base, The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders allows for this.  There normally appears a list of diagnostic criteria for each disorder, and if the diagnostician can identify so many out of the list, a label for the condition is agreed upon.  Again, they tend to rule in by first ruling out. Treatment follows. Close misses, the unidentifiable, and the perplexities, are labeled NOS, not otherwise specified.  They live with this.  Sometimes we may be better off living with the fact that some of these more generic guns, especially the later ones, could be one of many things.  If we cannot offer specificity, then they remain unspecific, pure and simple.  

In a recent note accompanying the little unsigned John Moll now in the Archives, I listed a series of specific characteristics of the Lehigh school, all of which can be seen in that piece, in spite of lousy photos.  That's the type of thing that would be helpful to me on these other areas.  The more I know in detail, the more I learn to appreciate the different areas' contributions.

Happy new year to all and may you be one to find an attic condition relic in 2010.  JWH
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Re: A call for accuracy and detail
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 12:49:53 AM »
Happy new year to all and may you be one to find an attic condition relic in 2010.  JWH

I looked up in the attic, just in case, and saw my wife up there cleaning,,,,, so guess I've found my relic for 2009! ;D ;D ;D

Sorry, just kidding, but couldn't help myself! ::)

John
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Re: A call for accuracy and detail
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 02:27:35 AM »
I think this is a good point to introduce a book that I think every antique collector will enjoy. It is: Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking; 2005 by Malcolm Gladwell.

Gladwell talks about how, over time, collectors and students of antiques develop a quick mental process that produces a "first impression" about an object in literally the blink of an eye. He gives some compelling examples of how this instinctive reaction works and how it often is later supported by a more studied response when the collector is asked the question "Tell us why you think that?" as Wayne has asked here. 

The "blink" response doesn't replace the detail-by-detail study but I think many of you will realize that you have experienced it when first examining a rifle.

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Re: A call for accuracy and detail
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 06:35:56 AM »
Gary, my wife says that is what I did when I met her!!  I blinked!!!   couldn't resist..sorry

Actually I think Gladwell is right on, and not just regarding antiques, but anything that we study in detail. 
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Re: A call for accuracy and detail
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2009, 09:36:00 PM »
Refreshing.

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Re: A call for accuracy and detail
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2010, 01:20:07 AM »
I think this is a good point to introduce a book that I think every antique collector will enjoy. It is: Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking; 2005 by Malcolm Gladwell.

Gladwell talks about how, over time, collectors and students of antiques develop a quick mental process that produces a "first impression" about an object in literally the blink of an eye.

Gary,
Gladwell's example near the beginning of a gut reaction of one person being more accurate than a thoroughly vetted opinion by a big organization was certainly an eye-opener.
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Re: A call for accuracy and detail
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2010, 01:45:41 AM »
It seems to me that Gladwell limited his scope by several orders of magnitude. People who perform complicated procedures develop a sense of what is enough, too little, or too much. Photographers come to mind as most can aim and shoot without recourse to a light meter or marking off  the distance. Surgeons, physicians, and other highly skilled professions have a sense or a feel of what needs to be done without resorting to hours or days of study for each case they handle. And it goes on and on. Just another 'magic' aspect of the human mind, I surmise.
Happy New Year!!!, everyone-Dick