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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2009, 03:07:52 AM »
  If anyone has Homer Dangler's gunbuilding dvd he shows a hinge forming die made by Don Kammerer, his is long enough to do a Bucks Co. hinge. I have 2 of them for regular smaller patchboxes but have never used them. I know Homer swears by it and James Klein also uses one. I need to look mine up I haven't seen them since I moved 3 yrs ago.
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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2009, 07:17:06 AM »
Yes, you can ream a slight curve so the pin is straight where it counts which is just what I do, BUT most of the curve is filed on.

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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2009, 12:06:59 AM »
Yes, you can ream a slight curve so the pin is straight where it counts which is just what I do, BUT most of the curve is filed on.

Bill,
I need to post some pictures or drawings but the pin in my patchboxes is not straight anywhere and none of the curve is created by filing. In other words the barrel of the hinge is is the same thickness along its entire length.
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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2009, 12:13:57 AM »
Gary, I'd like to see those pics when you get a chance to post them.
Speaking in pure geometrical terms, the door would not open very far. But something has to flex, Gary, because your doors open. Thin finial and door stock would improve the functioning. Please do post, I am curious as all heck.
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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2009, 05:06:44 AM »
Acer,
Sorry it took so long to get this information out. I have a real good excuse--my son just got married last weekend!

Anyway, I decided to put the information about making a curved patchbox hinge up on my web site because, believe it or not, not everyone reads the ALR site.

Follow this link:

http://www.flintriflesmith.com/ToolsandTechniques/making_a_curved_box_hinge.htm

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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2009, 04:12:22 PM »
Great explanations and illustrations.  Keeping the edges of the hinge knuckles parallel is something I did not understand before.  Makes perfect sense.
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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2009, 05:48:36 PM »
I have a jig that a friend of mine made that was based off Homer Dangler's batchbox jig.  Has anyone ever used Homer's jig?

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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2009, 02:29:32 AM »
Thanks Acer and Gary.  Great tutorials. 

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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2009, 03:11:37 AM »
I am of the belief that a combination of construction details of the patchbox hinge effect its apparent curvature, which ideally will match the buttstock shape.
1) The pin only effects full, 90 degree opening of the door in the area between the door's outer knuckles. Outside the door knuckles you can bend all you care to with no restrictive effect on door opening.
2) Clearance between the pin and knuckle, an oversize hole within the active knuckle area, allows some curvature of the active area. More clearance, allowing the pin to be more straight line, helps.
3) Some curvature in the active area will correct itself when the door is opened 90 degrees by the finial flexing straighter than the apparent door closed finial/hinge curvature.
4) The hinge knuckle tops may be filed to further enhance the apparent curvature.
Combine all the elements listed and you apparently have a hinge with matching curvature and no evident binding at full opening of the door. I continue to believe the pin will be straight between the door's outer knuckles when fully open. Planning the finial knuckle locations so that the door has a space first rather than a knuckle keeps the active area of the hinge as short as possible.
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Re: patchbox hinge
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2010, 02:16:27 AM »
Great thread. Thanks for the tips, here is what I come up with last nite after reading this thread, along with a couple failed attempts....  :) Kerry
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