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Offline Bigmon

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Magic Maple Stain?
« on: November 24, 2024, 04:46:51 PM »
About ready to stain a curly maple pistol stock and I have some Magic Maple Stain I aquired a long time ago from Dunlap Wood Products.
I know it is a dark stain, but I need that I think because I had to do some wood patching on the stock that I am trying to hide best as I can.
Does anyone have any experiences with this stuff?
I used it on a rifle in the 90's and it turned out fine, but I do not recall how I did it.
The web site says dilute with water 1 -5.
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2024, 05:08:52 PM »
It turns green over time; I wouldn't use it. This is a Magic Maple stained stock from the early 70s, green as can be, out of the sunlight it is REALY green.



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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2024, 05:11:32 PM »
Stay away! It’s dark magic. So many green guns n the 70s and 80s. Yes, some get away with it. Most don’t.
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Offline Bigmon

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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2024, 05:17:44 PM »
Thanks guys!!  You have made my decision easy!!
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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2024, 06:51:07 PM »
Talking about old bottles of stain and green wood, I have a 30 year old bottle of Aquafortis made by Wahkon Bay Outfitting Co. I only ever used it once. The bottle was new when I used it, and I used it on a walnut fullstock. Turned it green. I about died. Scrubbed it down and had to stain it almost black with another stain just to cover the damage. But here's my question: Should I have not put it on walnut? Was this problem because of something I did? or was something wrong with the stain? Have any of you used that product and had difficulty?

I realize this question is a little off topic for the title of this thread. But thought it was close enough in line with the general topic. Thanks.



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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2024, 07:16:56 PM »
Talking about old bottles of stain and green wood, I have a 30 year old bottle of Aquafortis made by Wahkon Bay Outfitting Co. I only ever used it once. The bottle was new when I used it, and I used it on a walnut fullstock. Turned it green. I about died. Scrubbed it down and had to stain it almost black with another stain just to cover the damage. But here's my question: Should I have not put it on walnut? Was this problem because of something I did? or was something wrong with the stain? Have any of you used that product and had difficulty?

I realize this question is a little off topic for the title of this thread. But thought it was close enough in line with the general topic. Thanks.

 Did you blush the stock with a heat source after you applied the stain? It makes a huge difference!
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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2024, 07:40:45 PM »
It's a legitimate question.
Yes. As far as I know I did it correctly.
That said, that was my first rifle and I was using a torch. So I guess it is possible that I just didn't get it hot enough on the rifle stock (perhaps for fear of scorching it). It was 30 years ago.

I also experimented with it on a 10" piece of sugar maple scrap. It blushed brown with heat, as it should. But after rubbing it back and finishing it, the final results seemed to me that it had a greenish tent. So I did not use it again.
Is it possible that it includes other chemicals besides Nitric acid and iron? Or that perhaps it wasn't made with pure iron?

Since that experiment, I've only tried using it aging iron. But I stopped doing that as well, because I found it was very hard to get it to stop reacting. For example, I put it on some lock bolt heads only to find that even after washing well and soaking in a baking soda bath, the bolt heads would still quickly grow another layer of heavy rust, just as if they had been in a sweat box. I cleaned them again and soaked them again, and even after that they still grew yet another thick layer of rust. And this was with them just lying on a shelf in the shop along with a dozen un-oiled barrels and piles of tools, which never rust at all. (Humidity controlled shop space.)  Of course the obvious answer for the bolt heads here would be to oil them thoroughly, and to observe that this was a nitric acid stain designed for wood, not metal. So I surely can't complain if I'm using a product differently from how it was intended. Yes, I understand that. So at this point I'm just chatting about it.

Anyone have experience with this product?
« Last Edit: November 24, 2024, 08:40:21 PM by whetrock »

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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2024, 08:48:06 PM »
Ferric nitrate or iron saturated nitric acid solution has always given bad results on walnut on test pieces. The Whakon Bay solution also had some hydrochloric acid in it I believe and was not “done” - was still acidic and could also be used to brown steel.
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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2024, 09:46:32 PM »
I stained a black walnut stock once. It turned completely black. I had to sand it off and then finish in True Oil,
about 5 thin coats.




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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2024, 05:00:58 PM »
I have put the stuff on a lot of woods to see what happens, sometimes it is good, sometimes it is really bad.

For a hickory ramrod, nice.



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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2024, 06:32:08 PM »
I went ahead and used stain I bought from Tiger Hunt.  I am very pleased with the color.  Although it did not completly hide the patch I had to make.  More my fault as I did not get a great fit and the glue line is visible.
I think once finish is done I could add a little paint over the area and blend it in.  I have seen that done on guns that were being "aged" or distressed.
Should I then add another couple coats of finish over the paint?

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Re: Magic Maple Stain?
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2024, 07:51:39 PM »
Instead of panned use lamp black or finely ground charcoal. I think Jim Kibler sells some. I make mine from willow.
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