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Offline BrianS

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Old black powder
« on: March 28, 2025, 07:35:33 PM »
I have a tin of 2F black powder from the 1990's that I never used. Is there any concern about using it now?

Offline JeffG

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2025, 08:04:33 PM »
Give it a shake, if it's loose, take a (very) small amount and touch a match to it. You will be able to judge pretty well.
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Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2025, 08:05:01 PM »
I have used 20+ year old powder, DuPont 2f with no problems or diminished performance. The can was sealed well in a dry environment.

Offline Daryl

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2025, 08:18:55 PM »
In the mid 1970's, I used some FFG American Deadshot powder that was in a tin "keg". Beautiful powder, so clean and shiny, no dust. The
American Deadshot company blew up in 1898, so this powder pre-dated that explosion. That about sums up using "old" powder.
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Offline snapper

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2025, 08:34:01 PM »
that aint old.    As long as moisture has not gotten to it you will be fine.

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Offline JBJ

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2025, 01:00:55 AM »
The only time that I ever saw an issue was a lot of rust from the can that it had been stored in. I still have an oval tin of DuPont and it's great!
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Offline Daryl

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2025, 01:07:12 AM »
There were some "chunks" of rust with powder granuals stuck to them in that old power can I had, but they were easily removed.
It was the best powder I had used up until that time, which included Dupont, GO, Curtis and Harvey's, GOEX and Meteor from Scotland.
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Offline Pukka Bundook

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2025, 04:13:01 PM »
I still have some Meteor, Daryl, and Curtis and Harveys from the 70's.
Good as new!
Never got to try any of your best Deadshot stuff though!

Offline Daryl

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2025, 11:25:08 PM »
I used it in a slug barrel I had, .50 Bauska with 38" ROT. It shot 400gr.(quite short) slugs into an inch at 100 yards
with aperture sights. When the groups opened up to 2", I would re-crown it due to rod(fiberglass) wear and be back
to 1" again for 10 to 20 groups, then they would start opening up again. Re-crowning amounted to cutting off 3/16"
or so, then doing the 45 degree than smoothing those corners. Didn't have a lathe or I would have made a muzzle
protector. The .457" fiberglass rod was needed to get the bullets down as they were a couple thou. oversize.
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Offline Pukka Bundook

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2025, 06:09:45 AM »
Did it wind up as a pistol barrel Daryl?
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2025, 05:17:31 PM »
I have just about used up some 3F that was 50 years old, worked just fine.

I just picked up this full can in an estate sale lot that I bought, the price tag is $4.95, it is made in Scotland, I have no qualms about using it. I think it is from the 70s because of the other things in the lot.



Offline Bassdog1

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2025, 05:58:40 PM »


Was just given these the other day by a friend who was getting ready to destroy them powder was dry and loose, and it will shoot fine

Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2025, 07:31:23 PM »
I have used old powder before that was stored properly and it worked properly. BUT I am curious if powder that has become wet will work properly if dried thoroughly ? IIRC I think L & C had to dry powder that had been wet .

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2025, 07:57:36 PM »
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I am curious if powder that has become wet will work properly if dried thoroughly ?
BP is a mixture of carbon, sulfur, and potassium nitrate.  Only the KNO3 is water soluble.  A substantial amount of water would be required to leach the KNO3 out of the mixture.  Mere dampness will not leach it out and subsequent drying will restore it.
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Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2025, 08:47:46 PM »
OK, thanks for that input. More info to help us all understand some of the  aspects of our sport\pastime.

Offline AZshot

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2025, 09:18:07 PM »
There are historical records of frontiersmen and sailors stopping to dry out black powder that got a dunking in a river or in the bilges.  I read some recently that it was common to spread it out to dry.

Here is a related anecdote from me.  I was scuba diving on a WWI wreck off NC back in the 1980s.  It was an old Cruiser at about 75 foot depth of salt water.  In the sand among the rusty steel were a bunch of cylinders about the diameter of a pencil, about 3/4" long.  They had a symentrical pattern of holes going longitudinally down the cylinders. I didn't know what they were, but grabbed a few pockets full to take to the surface.  They looked like old wood or hard rubber, I took them home.  At some point about 6 months later someone said they might be grains powder from large bore Naval guns on the ship.  I took a few out on the sidewalk, and threw a match on one.  Sure enough, it lit in an instant and burned entirely in a few seconds, with a orange flame.  That powder had been UNDER WATER for 80 years!
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Offline Daryl

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Re: Old black powder
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2025, 09:56:43 PM »
That's amazing. Sounds like a form of cordite.
Daryl

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