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Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle - PHOTOS
« on: June 01, 2025, 07:26:06 PM »
I bought this at an online auction, it is not here yet.  Though I'm from NC and only have Appalachian school rifles in my collection, I made an exception for what might be a nice target rifle.  When I was younger you could buy Mowry rifles which were somewhat copies of Allen Thurber rifles.  I have one and still shoot it (came in 3rd in a match a couple months ago).  But I thought it would be nice to have an original Allen Thurber rifle. 

But this one has a signed Nelson Lewis, NY barrel.  I've read the small amount of info I can find on Ethan Allen guns. Some comments on forums say he sold finished and unfinished actions.  But nowhere does it say he sold entire rifles to be barreled by another gunsmith.  The buttplate, action, triggerguard all look Ethan Allen.  Maybe I'll know more when I get it, but if anyone can help, thanks.  It's in .36 cal. 

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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2025, 08:20:19 PM »
1. Allen and Thurber could have used a N. Lewis barrel (reputation) as a selling point.  2. Nelson Lewis may have purchased a new or used action and barreled/re-barreled it.  3.Someone brought the gun to him for re-barreling (reputation).  I have a combination gun and a double rifle by Nelson Lewis.  The barrels in them are shiny like mirrors.  I've heard that he only made gain twist barrels, but I haven't tried to measure the twist in mine.  I do know that they are great fun to hunt with.  James Levy
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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2025, 08:38:05 PM »
I agree with James. Your gun is a typical Allen, but with a Nelson Lewis barrel. Typically the original barrel would have been marked Allen & Wheelock or Allen & Thurber and in .38 caliber. My guess is that the gun's owner lived close to Troy, NY and had the gunsmith Nelson Lewis re-barrel it. Lewis was a champion target shooter and his guns were extremely accurate. (In 1855, his gunshop had 6 employees, so business must have been pretty brisk). Usually he marked his guns "N. LEWIS MAKER TROY NY". If your gun does not have the "MAKER" stamping, I'd bet it is a rebarrel (and probably more accurate than the original gun)

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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2025, 08:59:20 PM »
Here is an ambrotype photograph of a man with a rifle of the same model.  Can't see the barrel marking...




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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2025, 09:15:43 PM »
Excellent information, thanks to both.

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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2025, 05:27:39 PM »
Boy, there sure isn't much info on Ethan Allen's guns.  I know this is a long rifle forum and these aren't that long.  But they're American, muzzle loaders, and show the transition between the individual gunsmith method of making rifles, to the emerging industrial age methods. They were still hand made. Somehow he and a brother-in-law or two, like Thurber, made hundreds if not thousands of guns, mostly the revolving pepperboxes.  But some fine hunting and target rifles too.  Side Hammer no. 10 rifle numbers seem very low, I've read perhaps 100, but there had to be more. 

"No American gunmaker of his time manufactured a more diverse line of firearms. During the percussion era he produced the Underhammer, the Bar, the Box-lock and the Straight-away single-shot pistols as well as the Pepperbox, the Transitional revolver, the side- and center-hammer Revolvers. He made Target pistols, with and without detachable stocks. His rifles were both single and double, revolving cylinder and breech loading. His shotguns, single, double and combination, plus a Whaling gun." (Earlv Allen Firearms - Harold R. Mouillesseaux)
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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2025, 05:30:43 PM »
I talked to the guy who runs the only Ethan Allen firearms website I can find.  Asked him about the Lewis barrel.  He said:

"... I have never heard of, or read anything about a partnership between Allen and Lewis.  (This doesn't mean it isn't possible)
But, my best guess is that the owner of the gun had the barrel replaced by a far better quality barrel from Lewis."

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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2025, 09:30:01 PM »
Flayderman's 7th edition (1998) has a 20 page chapter on Ethan Allen guns.  Yours is pictured with a value of $475 (good) to $2000 (fine).  The latter with special features, ie, sights, false muzzle, patchbox, engraving, etc.
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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2025, 10:23:37 PM »


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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2025, 11:24:05 PM »
Wow, thanks, I'll look for one of those.  I do have the book "Ethan Allen and Allen & Wheelock: Their Guns and Their Legacy" which is good, but 99% on pepperboxes and other pistols.  Only 2 photos of rifles. 

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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2025, 12:35:32 AM »
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but 99% on pepperboxes and other pistols.  Only 2 photos of rifles.
I think they only made 2 models of MLs, a center hammer and a side hammer, and a couple of breechloaders.
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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2025, 03:05:05 AM »
I'm starting to see you're right.  I suppose his pepperboxes and other pistols were very in demand...and kept him busy. 

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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2025, 11:23:22 PM »
Those pepperbixes seemed quite popular & mostly .36 cal. IIRC.
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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2025, 06:20:54 PM »
I received the rifle.  Petty clean bore, good nipple, good mainspring.  But the trigger return spring is broken, so it won't go to half or full cock unless you push it forward.  I think it's a shooter. My estimate is about 1854.






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Re: Nelson Lewis barrel on Ethan Allen rifle - PHOTOS
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2025, 04:40:19 AM »
Nice. Looks much better than the picture from the auction.