history of southern banded horns

[T.C.Albert]

Im totally confused....I thought I knew a bit about southern banded horns...but now Im not so sure that I do...I told a fellow that a banded horn wouldnt be PC for the F+I era...or even the rev war really...but maybe I done bad?

What is the current thought on the "who...where...and when" of banded horns in general?

Thanks in advance...
TCA

[eseabee1]

I don`t know if this is correct or not but I was told they came unto the scene around 1770 maybe a little later ..

[Cory Joe Stewart]

I don't know if you did bad or not.  I have alwasy heard that it would not be appropriate for F and I, but ok for Rev-War, late in the war.  I have no citation to give except the guy that taught me, told me.  

My persoal idea is that if someone gets on to you and an event for having a ring on your horn then they are standing way too close.

Coryjoe

[Randy Hedden]

Tim,

It seems to me that real documented info about southern banded powder horns is pretty slim.  At least I am not aware of any substantial documentation of the southern banded powder horn that shows exactly the time frame of their manufacture. However, some of the various Pennsylvania screw tips that would be somewhat contemporary to the southern banded powder horns were being made during the F&I War.  These horns and their production migrated to southern colonies along with the Pennsylvania rifle.  I would say that the typical southern banded horn, with a screw tip or applied tip was being made and sold at least during the Rev War and possibly before, but I don't know about the F&I time period.

There are a couple of fellows on this board who may be able to provide documentation on the time period of the southern banded horns.

Randy Hedden

[G. Elsenbeck]

And I'm under impression that banded horns are normally dated around 1800, but can't recall where I heard that, possibly from this forum.  Getting an exact date timeframe is most difficult.
Gary

[ronpardue]

From the research that I have done at Old Salem and discussion I have had with Michael Biggs, these cannot be documented prior to 1800. 

[flintriflesmith]

From the research that I have done at Old Salem and discussion I have had with Michael Biggs, these cannot be documented prior to 1800. 

That may be true of Carolina banded horns with multiple bands but there are a few surviving horns with only one or maybe two bands that appear to be Rev War or earlier. There is an article with good photos of one of these in an old KRA newsletter. I don't have access to that article right now but it may bee in the collected reprints.
Gary

[Dennis Glazener]

The horn Gary mentioned is dated 1774 just below the owner's name. The owner was from Shenandoah County VA. The horn was passed down within the owners family. The original owner was in George Rogers Clark's Illinois Regiment. 

Its hard for me to believe that there wasn't other horns of this type floating around in VA.
Dennis

[T.C.Albert]

So, if Im following along right, it sounds like maybe there are both regional and period type traits for banded horns, and that they are attributable to the rev war era in some form, though maybe not in the particular piedmont style, which may be post rev war by 20 or so years? This is exactly the stuff I was wondering about...
TCA  

[george kevil]

Wasn't the banding of horns done for repairing of cracks? So one might see an even earlier horn with bands. I think I saw this somewhere,maybe here. I'm wondering too.
George