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Offline LynnC

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Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« on: February 28, 2010, 04:37:10 AM »
For those that have built around this barrel, is it straight tapered from breech to muzzle or double tapered?

In other words, by laying a straight edge touching the breech and muzzle, is there a gap between the straight edge and the barrel somewhere along the barrel?

If so, about how much and about where along length is it widest?  Track just lists the 1" breech and .815 muzzle.

If the taper be straight then my sketches will be very easy, if not, I could sure use the above info.  Thanks!
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Offline LynnC

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2010, 04:39:36 AM »
Should have noted 42" length.
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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2010, 05:07:01 AM »
Lynn......not sure who makes these barrels.   It should have a basic "swamped" shape to it, but, based on the dimensions
shown for this barrel, it would have to go down to what I would consider to be rather small at the small part of the barrel.
Since they show the muzzle at .815, if you would drop the dimension at the small part by .050, you would be down to .765, subtract the bore size of .620, and you have a total wall thickness of .145, or .0725 per side.....pretty thin.  But,
I have never seen these barrels so the numbers I have shown may be all wet.........Don

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 05:08:42 AM »
Lynn,

Those barrels are not tapered or swamped.  The round portion is straight.

The Colerain that they sell in a 44" is a better choice.  Nice profile.
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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 05:49:38 AM »
I've always been curious who makes those barrels. Somebody said Colerain makes them. Another said they are made from tubing. Anybody really know?

Offline LynnC

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 08:29:50 AM »
Thanks Smallpatch - So the octagon from the breech to the wedding ring turnings is tapered to .815 then straight to the muzzle.  That helps a lot.

Somewhere in TOW,s catalog I read that Colerain makes these barrels.

Thanks again,
Lynn
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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 08:42:42 AM »
Thats what I thought but wasn't sure.

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 05:52:44 PM »
I don't think colerain makes those barrels, different steel and different "look" about them. I always thought they were tapered, I have used them in the past. They are heavy. At $200 bucks and no breech plug a colerain barrel is a much better barrel having a swamp and plug already installed.
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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 06:29:27 PM »
Well FWIW , I have a fusil du chasse parts set from Pecatonica and they told me they get their barrels from TOTW.  This is a 42", OTR barrel btw.  When I asked who made this barrel, the folks at TOTW told me that Colerain makes these.  Mine came already breeched and indexed, but I'm not sure if Track or Pecatonica did the breeching - the plug is stamped with the same parts # as is shown in the TOTW catalogue.

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Offline Tom Currie

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 06:41:29 PM »
I had bought a 42" 20ga Oct-Rnd from Pectonica 3 years ago and my understanding it ws made by Pedorsoli. Oct section was a bit short at only 9 "s . Finish was smoother that what you get with a Colerain.   

Offline LynnC

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 07:22:17 PM »
Well, it is tracks budget barrel - a very simple profile.  The Colerain fowler barrel is looking like a lot more barrel for the money.  I appreciate everyones input.
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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2010, 04:36:50 PM »
here is my input. i have a track 20 gage barrel. older track cat. says it's made by colorain. now just says well resected maker. may have change maker. call track thell tell you.yes oct is tapered.then 4 inch tapered round area then straight . they are a heavy barrel for fowler. as far as wing shooting but are great round ball shooter. and shot loads for small game. mostly tree rats. shoots great also. that said i have always wonderd how correct the profile would be compared to orig. would colorain 44 inch swamp be more h.c.  rick howard

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2010, 04:59:08 PM »
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that said i have always wonderd how correct the profile would be compared to orig. would colorain 44 inch swamp be more h.c.  rick howard
Depends on what you're building.
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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2010, 05:27:34 PM »
 i built track barrel in a early english influence. and chose the barrel on account of price at the time. 165 .00 breech i believe. but want to build some thing in 54 cal. smooth. to shoot ball and shot. colerain is about all i find in 54 smooth with out ordering custom.  want something a little slimmer  track barrel in 62 makes up kind a thicker in muzzle. rick

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2010, 05:59:50 PM »
You get what you pay for!!  If you are concerned about the quality of your gun, the barrel is the most important part next to the lock.

IMHO Don't be cheap on either! ;D

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2010, 12:04:19 AM »
never had no issue with quality of tracks barrel . i think it shoots great. just curious as to what guns would best fit tracks profile or colerain oct round swamp. how much would you have to pay to get better or more  correct profle. and from whom. all i have for refrence is flint lock fowler book does't really give complete barrel dia.  thanks rick

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Re: Track's Oct to Round 20 Gage
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2010, 12:36:31 AM »
   I have a gun with one of the Track barrels and one with the Colerain swamped fowler barrels and the Colerain barrels much nicer in terms of balance and appearance. My Track barreled fowler is a great shooter, though. I thought that Orion made the Track barrels--at least at the time I bought mine.
   The main problem with these barrels is weight. Regardless of gauge/caliber, the external diameter is the same. The barrel seems to have been profiled for a sixteen gauge bore, but never offered as a 16. My 20 bore fowler weighs about the same as my 10 bore fowler and the 10 gauge has 6" more barrel length. The difference is the 10 bore was beautifully made by Ed Rayl .