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What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« on: March 20, 2010, 12:40:46 PM »
The pair of pistols I'm building have 12"long, 15/16"diameter, oct, GM barrels.
The flats are about 0.4"wide. I'd like to have two wedding bands at the breech and one at the muzzle. All bands 1/16" wide.

At the breech it should be adequate to cover the three top flats. At the muzzle the band would have to cover the top five flats.

The channels are 0,02" deep. I estimate the gold strips have to be 1/16" wide and
0.028 thick.

One band 24k across 3 flats = 0.61grams x 350nkr = 213.5nkr = $ 35.60
One band 24k across 5 flats = 1.01grams x 350nkr = 353.5nkr = $ 58.90

One band 18K across 3 flats = 0.48grams x 300nkr = 144.0nkr = $ 24.00
One band 14K across 5 flats = 0.80grams x 300nkr = 240.0nkr = $ 40.00

Three bands on one pistol would cost $130 in 24k and $88 in 18k.
How does this compare with your experience/costs?

Best regards
Rolfkt
 
« Last Edit: March 20, 2010, 12:43:20 PM by Rolfkt »

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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2010, 03:57:47 PM »
What you may pay for gold wedding bands is a lot more than you thought, depending on who you put them on  ;D
 I have never applied actual rings to a barrel. I cannot imagine that a gold overlay of some sort would not serve the purpose just as well.  Using a real band seems a waste, unless you have one you want to do something creative wth and you have already spent a lot for it.
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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2010, 07:30:57 PM »
Gold is sold at the current market price the day of the transaction.
For wedding bands, you are probably also paying a bit for their construction.
24K gold is optimal because of its softness, while 18K may work harden.

You are better off buy 24K sheet gold from a supplier in the size and thickness you want.  Save all scrap gold and silver including filings, as they can be re-refined.  24K gold scrap, if segregated,  can be melted down yourself and formed into wire or sheet.

See PM for further advice.
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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2010, 09:35:26 PM »
are you speaking of a full band or  like the transition fro O to R or just  inlayed bands that are flush with the barrel ?
 if they are flush , it takes alot less gold then you would think .
also there is no real need to go 24ct  unless you want to . while its true the lesser  grades like  14 , 18 ... will work harden .    you can also buy it as dead soft . Small diameter wire can be wrapped  then hammered into place . As was said though , it will harden so  you have to set it proper  the first few blows
 4 ft of 18 gage 14 ct  was running  around 35.00 the last time . 18 ct was around  50 .00  no extra cost for dead soft ,  from the  jeweler  supply.. that’s been some months back so im not sure what it is now
  8 ft  did these bands  in 18ct  with some left over  ..
 as to price   for doing  them well its materials  + labor
 As was stated . Save the filings


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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2010, 10:51:57 PM »
Face it guys, one way or the other you spend the rest of your life paying for it if you put one of those wedding bands on a woman.  Guns are much cheaper.
Seriously, is there a faux gold alloy that works as well?
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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2010, 12:16:19 AM »
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Seriously, is there a faux gold alloy that works as well?
There is, but I haven't been able to find any more.  It's called 0k gold and is an alloy which doesn't tarnish and is very malleable.  My supplier listed it last year and when I went to look for it recently, they don't carry it anymore.
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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2010, 03:59:42 AM »
I've inlayed 3 gold rings on my last rifle.   I've always heard that you should only work with 24kt or 18kt because it works easier.   However on my last rifle I used 3 mens 14kt gold wedding bands.   I cut slots in the barrel the same width as the gold wedding bands.  Next use an engraver to undercut the bottom of the slots (that helps hold the gold in).  Next you straighten out the gold bands.   Then comes the fun part, you beat the  %&$*#  out of the bands using a punch and hammer, file the bands flush with the barrel and wa-la, you've got gold wedding bands on the barrel!    By the way a typical 14kt, plain mans gold ring (about 3.5 dwt) is about $115 at todays gold prices.       

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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2010, 05:06:16 AM »
very nice  work .

 this is where i get my wire . price has went up a little  but still not to bad .
  i see now that they also carry patern wire . not sure what this is made of but  looks like it might work  for something

http://www.libertywireartworks.com/index.html

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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2010, 05:11:49 AM »
I've only used 24 K gold for inlay. I think you could inlay .01 or .015 thick material, but it's tricky the thinner you make the inlay.

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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 07:09:57 AM »
Rolfkt,

First let me say that while you can use higher karat golds (and other harder metals for that matter, including iron) for inlays, nothing works quite as easily or well as 24K gold.  And, at least for me, saving a very few dollars using lower karat gold instead of 24 is not at all worth the trouble.  As Clockman said in his post about using 14 karat, and then "you beat the  %&$*#  out of the bands".  This brings its own share of risks including marking the surrounding steel with the punch or having the inlay work harden so much that you have to cut it out and start over.  With 24 karat, you can almost burnish the inlay in place.  To boot, I think the labor involved in a well done inlay is worth far more than the gold used.

I refine all my own scrap gold, silver, and other precious metals and I do refining for many others such as jewelers, dentists, miners, etc.  (I started doing my own refining because every well known outfit I sent my scrap to stole no less than half of it.  Long story, but I knew exactly how much gold was in each batch I sent out and they all lied through their teeth and robbed me blind.  So it was worth the time and trouble to learn how to refine it myself.  Another thread...)  The bottom line is that I roll a lot of gold plate and draw a lot of gold wire, and nothing works like 24 karat.  (The Latin name for gold is Aurum...hence the chemical symbol "Au".  The name derives from the same root as "aurora" or "shining dawn".  If you ever get a chance to look at gold melted in the furnace where you can look right at the surface of the molten metal, you will understand where the name comes from.  It looks like no other metal on earth.)

If you want to use a piece of scrap 14K or 18K gold and you want a quick way to increase the karat level to make it softer and easier to work, you can try this.  Melt your clean scrap in a small melting dish with an acetylene torch.  While it is very fluid, drop a small lump of potassium nitrate in it.  The nitrate will melt quickly and bubble up.  As it does, the oxygen coming out of the nitrate at melting temperature will burn out (oxidize) a portion of anything but the gold (silver, copper, nickel, etc., will all be oxidized.)  Then flux it with a little borax to gather up the oxide layer.  If you do this several times, you will have a much higher gold alloy to work with as most of the alloying metals will be converted to oxides and will go away as a gas or in the borax flux.  You can't really use this process to make what is referred to as "four nines" gold (i.e. .9999 pure gold) but you can make it a lot better than 14 or 18 K without all the complicated gear you need for complete refining.
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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2010, 05:00:34 PM »
Just a thought. Any one ever check pawn shops? I think I remember seeing bands for sale in a few. Pretty cheap if I remember right.

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Re: What do you pay for gold wedding bands?
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2010, 07:28:53 PM »
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Just a thought. Any one ever check pawn shops? I think I remember seeing bands for sale in a few. Pretty cheap if I remember right.
I doubt it.  They still sell their items based on the current value of the gold in it.  There are few bargains in pawn shops.
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