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LURCHWV@BJS

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Mainspring Question
« on: April 13, 2010, 06:13:38 AM »
  I bought a mainspring vise this weekend and was wondering.   When you disassemble your lock for inletting the mortice is it O.K. to leave the spring in the vise? or should I rlieve the pressure?  It's a REALLY stout spring. :o  Definately not what I've seen in a Traditions or CVA.


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Offline Dave B

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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 08:08:23 AM »
I never leave mine in the spring vice unless I am going to immediately reassemble the lock with in a couple of minutes. If I am leaving the lock disassembled any longer than that I remove the tension off the spring slowly and set it in a safe place.
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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2010, 09:38:16 AM »
You don't have to disassemble the lock for inletting.   You can if you are more comfortable doing that, but it is quicker and you get a better inlet by inletting the lock assembled.   You just have to be very careful about where you drill the hole for the sear arm.  To get started that way,  you position the lock about where you want it and mark the position of the sear arm on the stock.   Do this two or three times to make sure that it is right.   Then drill a 3/8" (double check that this is not going to be too big for your lock plate before you drill) hole 60% of the way through the stock with the sear bar resting at the bottom of the hole.     Once this is done you mark all the internal surfaces of the lock with a large, permanent magic marker as the transfer agent.   Then it is just the a matter of fitting the lock, tapping with a mallet, and removing the black wood.    Once your screws and the tumbler pivot point are marked you are safe to remove th appropriate diameter of wood down and 1/8" to 1/4".    You can also safely remove 1/4" of wood where the spring is going.    Also, cut out the area of the bolster where it intersects the barrel channel using a small backsaw and a chisel ( leave the little strip of wood between the bolster and spring, if you can).   All this will speed up the inletting process.  

Once you have the lock plate sitting flat on the stock in the right position,  you can trace around it with a sharp pencil and the real fun begins.   The inletting will be a bit slower from this point as you remove just the high spots.  It is best to stamp in the outline of the lock plate.  You stamp just inside the pencil line.  You should use a small stamping chisel to do this.  Mine is made out of a 6" piece of 3/32" music wire.  You grind the tip(1/8") into a convex lens shape that tapers to  a chisel point.   The convex shape pushes the wood away making it easier to turn a corner.  You walk the stamper forward, overlaping the last cut by a third and tapping with a small hammer two or three light taps.    It should go in about a 1/16".    

You will also need a 1/4" bench chisel,  a 5mm #1 skew,  a 5mm dogleg chisel, and a 5mm #9 at the very least.

With all of this, until you have the plate in the stock, double check the position of the lock before you make a cut .      
« Last Edit: April 13, 2010, 09:42:10 AM by Mark Elliott »

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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2010, 03:27:00 PM »
I have the DVD with Mark Silver stocking a longrifle ussing hand tools only.
He shows how to inlet the lock without taking it apart.  Works very well.


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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2010, 05:26:06 PM »
I inlet the lock layer by layer.   This is another reason it takes me forever to git r done! ::)

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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 01:08:41 AM »
 I bought a mainspring vise this weekend and was wondering.   When you disassemble your lock for inletting the mortice is it O.K. to leave the spring in the vise? or should I rlieve the pressure?  ...

I don't think leaving a main spring slightly compressed even for several days will do any harm. When I'm hunting my rifle is on half cock for hours at a time, day after day. I believe that in the period it was common to have a flintlock loaded and ready for use for weeks at a time.

Even if a spring did fail on the bench in the vise it would be far better to have it happen there than later on when you or the future owner were counting on the rifle! A broken spring back in the boondocks would be a real PITA.

Compressing a completely open spring with a main spring vise has always seemed a greater risk to me because you can't be sure the vise is back in exactly the same location.

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« Last Edit: April 14, 2010, 04:37:20 AM by flintriflesmith »
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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 01:22:30 AM »
When I take a mainspring out, I set the lock at half bent, apply the vise, then relax the lock.  The tumbler drops away, and the spring comes out easily.  Sometimes, I relax the vise just a little, though I don't think it's necessary.  I guess I've been lucky, as I've never had a mainspring break using a vise in this manner.
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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 03:37:10 AM »
When I disassemble a lock using a main spring vise, I never remove the spring from the vise.    It might be in there for
a day or two, and have never had any problems with the main springs..........Don

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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 04:23:32 AM »
any difference in the handling between cast and forged springs?

LURCHWV@BJS

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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 04:58:36 AM »
 Thanx for the input, Didn't want to try to compress it again.  She's a stiff one.

   Rich

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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 05:24:57 AM »
You could probably leave a Siler mainspring compressed in a vice for years, and nothing would happen.  However, we have had several of the mainsprings from our big English locks break when left compressed in the vice.  When I'm working on one of the English locks I apply the vice with the lock at rest, tighten the vice just enough to remove the spring, and then relieve most of the pressure.  A mainspring vice seems to put pressures on these mainsprings that they do not experience when in the lock, and that can sometimes cause them to fail.

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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 05:39:12 AM »
I see what your saying. the points of contact of the spring have changed and actually increased by one. Not quite what the original design intended.  I'm more or less concerned of being able to compress the spring after releasing the pressure completely.  I've NEVER owned a Lock that was built this heavy before.  It weighs Three time the one's previously mentioned.  I don't want to break it.  It takes long enough to get mail here.  I really don't like to wait, and I hate to spend money to fix one of my mistakes.

  My first build is teaching me patience though. And perhaps a little wisdom. 

   Thank you all,            Rich

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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 05:43:01 AM »
Acer has developed a new mainspring vice that is designed specifically for long mainsprings like on the Chambers Round face and others.  Nifty smooth and compresses it where it should.
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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 05:46:28 AM »
I saw that and want to try to duplicate it, I just lack the proper tools.  Guess I need to make the Tools to Make the Tool

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Re: Mainspring Question
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 05:56:29 AM »
I just received one of Acer's tools yesterday, and I'm very impressed with it.  I think it will work better than most of the other vices out there because it compresses the spring in almost the same way the spring functions in the lock.  Many thanks Acer.