Sulle? Rosenxxx? Wender Musket, Percussion Conversion

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Does anyone have any info on Georg Sulle? or the other signature Rosenxxx?

I know this is asking a lot.

These are old pics and I can take better ones if anyone wants to see.  There are 2 different named  barrels.  Does that mean repair or is this would a gunsmith at the time buy barrels?  The stock is very old fragile wood and seems to fit both.  I should take a better pic of the carving.  Both are smoth bore but one barrel has a v sight, the other a bead.  I have the inlay that is missing on the butt stock.  It was in pieces when I got it.  The ramrod is a replacement and just holding it all together.

[T*O*F]

Does anyone have any info on Georg Sulle? or the other signature Rosenxxx?

There is an A barely visible before the Rosenxxx.  This denotes a location rather than a maker.  Thus:
George Sulle a Rosenxxx or Georg Sulle from Rosenxxx.
The gun is old German, probably from the area where present day Germany, France and Switzerland come together.

Another listmember had a gun from the same region.  I tracked the area location down using Google Earth.  He contacted a museum in the town and ended up donating the gun to them.

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Thanks

That does make sense, to have name and location. I guess the one octagonal and one half octagonal barrel is just one makers interpretation of tacti-cool.  This was the Machine gun of its day being able to fire twice.  I google maped Rosenfeld and found a town in Germany with that name close to the borders.  The Luger collectors have nothing on you guys for detail.  

Any further info appreciated.  I found some pic of similar wender muskets but not the name.

[Dphariss]

This is a a wender or swivel breech but its not a musket being as sporting arm.
It is very likely it was rifled in one barrel and smooth in the other since it has set triggers and sights on one barrel.

The "Winder Musket" is a single shot 22 RF training rifle used in the early 20th century by the US Army.

I would love to see the swivel/locking mechanism.

Dan

[Mike Brooks]

Looks like "ROSENBERG" to me. Nifty old relic.

[T*O*F]

Mike,
You may well be right.  I clipped it, blew it up to 600x300 and made a negative image of it.  It looks like Rosenberg, which is a town in the general vicinity of what I said earlier.  North of Switzerland, east of Strasbourg, SW of Nuremberg.

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Thanks Guys

Winder was a typo, I changed it to Wender soon after putting it up.  I love the little Winchester Winder "muskets" and the guy that gave me this has one in excellent shape.  He collects Winchester and will never give up that one.  LOL

I looked at the gun (rather than pic) again and agree it is most likely Rosenberg.

Also looking again, both are smooth bore but the one with sight prob used to be a rifle that was bored out to use a a shotgun.  Will take pics later.

I'll get some pics of the mechanism for you Dan.  It was in pieces when I got it and I had to figure out how it went together.  Sometimes it is nice to get relics as if it were pristine I would be afraid to touch it.  I also would not be able to afford it.

"rifle" bbl ~0.56" a lot of rust but too thin to be rifled.
shotgun bbl ~0.53"

I have gotten a lot of info from you guys.  Will go out to the pack barn and see what else is there.  


PS Just posted it here to see what our German friends think.  They are nice guys, have a very diverse forum(hand cannon to MGs) and have been very interested in American guns.

http://www.militaria-fundforum.info/showthread.php?p=1957316#post1957316