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Izzy123

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E. R. Hamilton percussion rifle
« on: July 15, 2010, 11:20:36 PM »
Does anyone have information about percussion long rifles made by E. R. Hamilton, Bloomington, Indiana.
The barrel is 49 inches
Inside bore diameter is round and about 7/16 ths inches

I can provide Picts

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Re: E. R. Hamilton percussion rifle
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2010, 04:23:16 AM »
I would appreciate seeing pictures of this Indiana rifle. Very little is known about this late gunmaker. The only reference to him and his gunmaking is found in the 1870 Indiana census, where his name is given as E. R. Hamilton, residing in Monroe County and working in Bloomington. I have never seen one of his rifles, despite seeing and handling many Indiana muzzle loaders, and would enjoy seeing what this one looks like.

I am a little amazed at the length of the barrel on the "rifle" you describe, at 49 inches, particularly for a gun made by a late maker when barrels were generally shorter at 40 inches or less. Often a longer barrel gun with large, smooth bore indicates the gun is a fowler, or single barrel shotgun, rather than a rifle. Such guns often lack a cheekpiece on the back of the butt, have no rear sight, and the trigger guard lacks a grip rail behind the bow section as rifles have. Can you post pictures here, so we can all see the gun? If not, I'd still enjoy seeing them at sgallien@comcast.net and will be glad to repost with an opinion on exactly what you have. I will ask a couple of other Indiana collectors to see if they have any additional information on Mr. Hamilton.   Shelby Gallien, Indiana
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Re: E. R. Hamilton percussion rifle
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 07:59:01 AM »
With a bore of 7/16" or roughly 45 caliber, it does sound like it might be a rifle, but photographs would provide  valuable information.

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Re: E. R. Hamilton percussion rifle
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2010, 11:48:30 PM »
OK, now don't laugh at the pictures, they were taken on our ping pong table. I can do better if requested. I have high res picts as well if these don't show you what you need to see.

Well, I don't know how to post picts on this site...does anyone know how?

Ken

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Re: E. R. Hamilton percussion rifle
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 12:46:57 AM »
Well, I don't know how to post picts on this site...does anyone know how?

Ken

Hi Ken,

Welcome to ALR.  This will tell you how....  http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=10.0  Looking forward to seeing your piece.

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Re: E. R. Hamilton percussion rifle
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2010, 07:00:19 PM »
I got a chance to look at Ken's pictures by e-mail. His gun appears to be a late half-stocked "buck and ball" type gun. There is a rear rifle sight for the ball. The walnut half-stocked gun has a pewter nose cap, and long octagon-to-round barrel with iron rib. The barrel stamping is clearly as Ken described by E. R. Hamilton in Bloomington, IN. I did not see a picture of the back of the butt, but the gun lays so closely to the ping pong table, that I doubt it has a cheekpiece.

Jeff Jaeger of Indiana, who is researching Indiana gunmakers, provided these thoughts:  "I have no other firm info on Hamilton. An "Emsley Hamilton" shows up in the 1850 Index, but I could not find him in the actual Census where he was supposed to be. Emlsley is listed in the index living in Washington Twp, Monroe Co., 1850. Don't know if it is the same guy. Please forward pics if you get them.  Jeff"

The gun is plain and rather generic in appearance, but for Indiana collectors it offers an example of an almost unknown gunmaker's work that none of us here have seen before. The fact that the maker had a good quality name stamp for the barrel tends to indicate he probably stamped a few other gun barrels, so we may get to see additional examples of his work in the future.  Shelby Gallien

« Last Edit: July 17, 2010, 07:01:00 PM by Tanselman »

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Re: E. R. Hamilton percussion rifle
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2010, 01:04:12 AM »
OK, here are the picts from my photobucket site. Hopefully this works. (Also, here is another web link to an ER Hamilton that is being sold: http://www.icollector.com/E-R-Hamilton-heavy-barrel-half-stock-percussion-short-rifle-40-cal-25-half-round-half-octago_i9480877)

my picts
http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab9/Izzysurf/ERHamilton/


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Re: E. R. Hamilton percussion rifle
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2010, 02:55:55 AM »
Looks like the bore is closer to .62 cal. Long barrel and overall architecture looks like a smoothbore fowling piece.. Interesting gun.
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