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What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« on: February 08, 2011, 02:40:57 PM »
I'm thinking about building a percussion rifle and like "fancy"/ornate rifles.
What type of rifle would you recommend? Please, state barrel size, lock type ect..

I really like the Clark Ohio rifle.http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=13379.0 , but those curved buttplates look uncomfortable to shoot.

I also like the bedford percussion locks. Was this type of lock only used on bedford stocks?

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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 05:03:20 PM »
Most Ohio type gun that I have seen where on the smaller Caliber. 32- with 45 being a large caliber and not overly  33"to 38 long . The Clark is very early. A lot of Ohio where half stocks. Barrel where on the heavy side and Straight. The curved butt plate is no problem. Locks most where Hardware type locks. Hopefully a couple of the Ohio collectors will step up with more for you.
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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2011, 05:41:06 PM »
Rolf,

The Bedford style locks with their long tails and graceful hammers are only found on Bedford Co. rifles with maybe a few exceptions of Somerset Co. rifles just across the western border of the county.  Barrels on those rifles were typically straight as the rifles date a bit later than most of the ones we typically discuss but you could use a swamped barrel, have a more useful rifle and no one would object.  The rifles are slim so I wouldn't use anything heavier than a B weight barrel.  Rice's Beck pattern barrel would also work. It's 1" at the breech and has a more gradual swamp.  I know you like silver work so in percussion rifles some Huntingdon Co. rifles come to mind - perhaps because I grew up in Huntingdon Co.  However those rifles have very small curved butts that require shooting from the arm and not the shoulder so they're probably not what you're looking for.  Calibers on those tend to be small, 36 -38, barrels straight, often at 7/8" and in the range of 38-40" long so they are quite muzzle heavy. 

If I wanted to build an ornate rifle with lots of silver work I would consider a southern rifle.  Jerry Noble pictures some, northern Georgia as I recall but may be wrong, that are ornate by any definition and have sleek, elegant lines.  When I get a chance I'll dig out my books and pick a few out.  If you want I'll scan the appropriate pages and send them along as a file.

One more option would be a western Pennsylvania rifle - Westmoreland or Allegheny County.  Some of those rifles have some of the flashiest patch boxes ever used as well as a moderate amount of silver.  Butts on those are curved but large and I don't think there would be any problem shooting them. 

For any percussion rifle in the late flint early percussion period, say 1830, lots of inlays, carving at a minimum,  I would build a fairly small caliber, certainly not bigger than 45, as these were primarily squirrel and small game rifles.  The weight will go up with the smaller bore but that's in keeping with the original rifles.

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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2011, 05:54:40 PM »
I'm having a hard time imagining a later (percussion age), more ornate type of rifle that doesn't have substantial curve to buttplate -- it seems to have been the rage.

I wouldn't worry about the curved buttplate, however, as long as you are willing to learn the technique.  They can hurt a lot if you shoulder them, but if you hold them on the upper arm, they are quite pleasant in modest calibers -- great for target shooting; you need to modify drop and length of pull a little due to different shooting position, in my experience, so that they fit right. 

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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2011, 06:02:00 PM »
If you really want to get away from the late curved buttplate you could do an ornate flintlock but use a converted percussion lock on it.
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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2011, 10:03:14 AM »
Thank you for your replys. A couple of questions.

Would it be acceptable to base a precussion rifle on a Armstrong or M.Fordney rifle?

Where can I find precarve stockplanks for a J.Clark ohio rifle or Higgins silver rifle?
Does anyone sell blueprints for such a rifle?
If not, where can I find good pictures to draw my own pattern?

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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2011, 04:16:37 PM »
You might like as a starting point for a Vincent(SP) Golden Arm now out of business use to sell a lot of thing. for it and should be in the same lines but in half stock.
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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2011, 05:49:20 PM »
Most of the parts can be had from a variety of vendors. The stock dimensions may be found by contacting the Ohio Longrifle Collectors Association, found on the internet Try this:
www.aolrc.org

As for a precarve, try shaping from a blank. The patchbox, from what I know, is of the type that is often called a "National Road" patchbox and is quite often seen in many Ohio built muzzleloaders. I used an existing patchbox and modified it to get that look. That I purchased from Muzzleloader Builders Supply...did a lot of cutting, cussin' and filework.

The inlays will most likely need to be hand cut.

Clark is listed in volume 5 of the Ohio Gunssmith and Allied Tradesmen (You can get that from the Log Cabin Shop in Lodi, Ohio) and has a few rifles illustrated (pages 71 to 75 I think)


Hope this helps and have fun....

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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2011, 06:31:05 PM »
There are a number of elaborate rifles, with many inlays, pictured in The Longrifles of Western Pennsylvania, Allegheny and Westmoreland Counties, by Richard F. Rosenberger & Charles Kaufmann.
Personally I find these much more appealing than the Ohio rifles. Some particulary fancy rifles are those by John Fleeger. 
I bought this book new. Do you know that many good out-of-print gunbooks are available from abebooks.com? It is a source of books from many dealers, mostly American, but I have also received books from Canada, Britian, France, Germany and Norway.

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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 02:45:58 AM »
Hi Rolfkt,
The nice thing about Ohio guns is there is a lot of variation which gives a builder some artistic licence .These make wonderful halfstocks.
Do not be too concerned about the curved buttplates.When people say you shoot these off the arm this does not mean off the bicep half way to your elbow but the round muscle area where the arm meets the shoulder .What makes this kind of buttplate good for target shooting is that it makes for very consistant mounting.It will go back to the same spot every time  .Since as muzzleloader shooters every shot is the result of building an entirely new shooting position with each shot this become far more important than if  we shooting auto loading military service rifles .

The smaller caliber and heavier straight sided shorter barrel makes these very nice plinking and target rifles with very little recoil .The curved buttplate ensures repeatability.

Often the later half stock rifles are not concidered as desireable as the full stock,swamped barrel flint rifles ,that they are too heavy that they do not balance as nicely that inlays replaced the lovely carving etc etc .

All of that is true but the serious target shooters are shooting half stocked  percussion rifles with curved buttplates and fine adjustable sights ,guns that look a lot more like decendants of Ohio-style  rifles that the classic long rifles that were really more about hunting and carrying and less about standing and shooting at the local range  .       

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Re: What styles of rifles are suitable for percussion locks?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 02:53:58 AM »
Don't overlook a back action lock for an interesting departure from the norm (today's norm anyway, they seem to be pretty prevalent in the 1860's).