Question about gunstock pitch

[eagle24]

The thread a few weeks ago got me thinking regarding pitch on rifles with deeply crescented butt plates and a lot of rake (Tennessee's).  Are the heel and toe of these rifles a good reference for measuring pitch?  Maybe what I am thinking will make sense to someone.  I really don't know how to put it into words.

[rich pierce]

I would measure from whatever parts touch the shoulder.  If the toe is off the body it probably really doesn't count toward pitch.  An example would be a scheutzen  (spell) buttplate with the big underam extension.  It does not change pitch.

[eagle24]

Thanks Rich.  You understood what I was getting at and what I was thinking.  Still some TN style butt plates would be difficult to get an accurate pitch measurement,  or at least it seems to me that they would.

[Dphariss]

Pitch is really irrelevant in crescent and Schuetzen buttplates. They are not intended to be shot off the shoulder but the arm.
Pitch only really comes into play with fairly flat buttplates that are shot off the shoulder.

Dan

[eagle24]

Pitch is really irrelevant in crescent and Schuetzen buttplates. They are not intended to be shot off the shoulder but the arm.
Pitch only really comes into play with fairly flat buttplates that are shot off the shoulder.

So it has more to do with the butt plate sliding up or down your shoulder which is negated by a crescent butt plate "hooking" onto your bicep?

[Dphariss]

Pitch is really irrelevant in crescent and Schuetzen buttplates. They are not intended to be shot off the shoulder but the arm.
Pitch only really comes into play with fairly flat buttplates that are shot off the shoulder.

So it has more to do with the butt plate sliding up or down your shoulder which is negated by a crescent butt plate "hooking" onto your bicep?

Pitch can have an effect in felt recoil.

Dan

[paxtonboy]

Pitch?   What direction are you measuring, cast on/off (left or right of butt inrelation to barrel) or drop ( up or down from barrel)?

[rich pierce]

Paxton, check out this prior thread which led to this one
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=14589.0

[Gaeckle]

Paxton, check out this prior thread which led to this one
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=14589.0

Good information here, thanks Rich..........

[northmn]

Pitch is also more of a concern to trap and skeet guns than to rifles which are aimed by a sight.  Extreme pitches on rifles can cause interesting recoil problems, but the idea on a rifle is to get a fit such that the buttplate is square to the shoulder when the rifle is sighted.  On a shotgun it effects the mount of the gun and the recoil can cause high or low shooting.

DP

[Dphariss]

Pitch is also more of a concern to trap and skeet guns than to rifles which are aimed by a sight.  Extreme pitches on rifles can cause interesting recoil problems, but the idea on a rifle is to get a fit such that the buttplate is square to the shoulder when the rifle is sighted.  On a shotgun it effects the mount of the gun and the recoil can cause high or low shooting.

DP

I would substitute "painful" for "interesting"
Too much pitch can reduce the area bearing on the shoulder by 2/3 and put the recoil force where it does the most "good" so to speak.
I used to work at a place that had problems in this regard.
Dan

[greybeard]

paxtonboy:    Pitch has nothing to do with cast on or off. Whole different subject me thinks.   Bob

[northmn]

Pitch?   What direction are you measuring, cast on/off (left or right of butt inrelation to barrel) or drop ( up or down from barrel)?

Neither.  Pitch is the angle of the buttplate as it mounts to the shoulder.  When you look at your sights the buttplate should naturally fall fairly square to the shoulder.  Consider that if the bottom of the buttplate does not want to fit against the shoulder you have a gap that will want to be filled from recoil and drop the barrel on firing which may tend to shoot low.  If the gap is on the top it may want to shoot high.  On shotguns they play with pitch and a thing called tow in toe out where the buttplate is actually angled slightly so that the toe may be pointed toward the arm pit more or away.  In a rifle with sights that gets to be more refinement than needed.  Poor pitch in a rifle might be a reason some shoot way different off the bench than off hand   Sights can accomodate it, but it will kick more in a large caliber.

DP