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Half Stock question
« on: April 05, 2011, 05:33:48 PM »
I finally got the Ga gunsmiths book after much anticipation and love it.

In going over it I noticed that a couple of the half stock rifles attributed to Higgins don't appear to have under ribs. Looking at the pictures it just looks like the pipes are too close to the barrel to leave any room for a rib.

Being new to this I might be asking a dumb question, and if so I apologize. But were some half stock rifles built with no rib and the RR pipes attached directly to the barrel?

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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2011, 05:51:38 PM »
I finally got the Ga gunsmiths book after much anticipation and love it.

In going over it I noticed that a couple of the half stock rifles attributed to Higgins don't appear to have under ribs. Looking at the pictures it just looks like the pipes are too close to the barrel to leave any room for a rib.

Being new to this I might be asking a dumb question, and if so I apologize. But were some half stock rifles built with no rib and the RR pipes attached directly to the barrel?

Yes.

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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2011, 07:42:37 PM »
I have one hanging on my wall, not much of a web between barrel and ramrodhole .   Smylee

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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2011, 10:36:47 PM »
Yes.

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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 10:52:03 PM »
cheaper and faster that way.  No rib to make or buy, solder in place etc.
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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2011, 11:35:59 PM »
So, were they just soldering the pipes right to the barrel or making a very small rib?

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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2011, 12:31:42 AM »
YES, and YES , Lots of half stocks after 1800 were made this way.
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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2011, 12:48:42 AM »
Cracker,
To answer more clearly; there was no rib on this type of set up, the ramrod thimbles were soldered directly to the barrel. And no, it is not a dumb question.
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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2011, 02:08:21 AM »
There were lots of different approaches to this.  It is most often seen on heavy barreled rifles, allowing the architecture to be less bulky.  Two Freeport, Illinois makers, Rudolph Pelck and John F. Dittmann, used a flat key with beveled edges that passed through a matching dovetail cut into the underside of the barrel.  The key was flush with the barrel, allowing the ramrod to lay right against the barrel and allowing the forend to be quite slender. Another Illinois maker, Henry P. Brunker, in Ottawa, used a cast underlug with a hole for the ramrod to pass through, and a slot below it for the key.  These are keyed quite low on the forend.  He only did this on rifles with 1 1/4" barrels or larger.  I have a heavy barreled target rifle by George T. Abbey, Chicago, that has the most unusual cast-steel barrel I have seen.  It is octagon, but could best be described as "lobe shaped",  with the bottom flat quite narrow and grooved for the ramrod.  The key passes through a slot in the barrel on this one.  All of these are high quality rifles. The absense of an underrib was for architectural reasons, not to save money or material.
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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2011, 02:31:41 AM »
Curt,
I had a Scheutzen rifle with a barrel similar to the one on your Abbey rifle. The bottom flat was quite narrow, compared to the others, and had a groove cut into it for the ram rod to lay in. The thimbles were set in to the groove and soldered in place. The rod was held tight to the bottom of the barrel.
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Re: Half Stock question
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2011, 06:10:09 AM »
Cracker,
To answer more clearly; there was no rib on this type of set up, the ramrod thimbles were soldered directly to the barrel. And no, it is not a dumb question.
Mark
Hmm, interesting.

Does anyone have any good detail pictures of this setup or could point me to a book which does. I'd be very interested in seeing exactly how they did it. Particularly the key slot or pin arrangement.

I really like the dovetail arrangement.