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winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« on: May 28, 2011, 10:03:37 PM »
I'm at the point in my first build that I am starting to concentrate on which finish to use.  I have read most of the posts on different finishes. I came across this drying linseed oil in the oil paint section at the hobby lobby.  The bottle states

Increases gloss, flow and transparency of oil colours.  Speeds drying.  Use Drying
Poppy Oil for pale colours and whites.          Linseed oil/manganese driers.

It is a darker colour than the rest of the linseed oil products there and sounds
like it would work as a stock finish.   I'm trying some on a scrap now to see what
the drying time is like.

How can I tell when it is dry enough for next coat (smell maybe?)  and has anyone
used this before?

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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2011, 10:33:31 PM »
I've used it for the past 10 years or so on stock work and I find it great to work with. It actually does dry, unlike the big can of Boiled Linseed Oil from the paint & hardware store.

I use it as a top coating after a final finish is done. A couple of dots to the wood and rub it out as thin as possible and hang the wood to dry. Come back and rub out again with your hand in a few hours (6 +) and hang it up again. Should be dry to the touch in a day or so from there. I let it sit a bit longer or rub it out again before recoating.
Ultra thin coats, and let it dry.

I've only built one M/L in the past year and used it over the Permalyn(sp) finish. I dulled the Permalyn down before applying the linseed top coat.
Have used it on many rifle and shotgun stocks over the years and over the top of several different finishes depending on the job.

That little bottle lasts years the way I use it.

I don't use it as a finish all by itself, I just don't think Linseed as a finish by itself does very well. Just my opinion, and I know others disagree with that.

Not so good for use in French Polishing either as it's tendency to dry will form a barrier between the coats of shellac if you allow it,  instead of only lubricating the application pad as it's intended to do.
You'll get layers in the shellac finish and it'll show when it's polished out, instead of one continuous layer fused together.

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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2011, 01:42:39 AM »
My favorite finish is Chambers Traditional Oil Stock Finish. Don't know what's in it but you can seal your stock and then finish with the same stuff. Flood it on with a brush to seal let set a while then wipe of the excess. Let dry overnite and apply finish a drop at a time with your finger and rub it in. Let dry overnite and rub lightly with 0000 steel wool. apply more finish till you get it the way you want.
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http://www.flintlocks.com/parts.htm

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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2011, 02:08:16 AM »
I really like the way this finish looks on my test piece,  it just makes it look exactly like I was wanting.  My main concern is about how to tell when it is dry enough for the next coat (assuming it will get dry enough). I know the main concern is to not recoat too soon or it may never dry and then it is more sensitive to moisture. For safety sake I will most likely wait till smell is gone then double that dry time, I don't want to get in a mad rush here at the end.  It just seems the stuff is very similiar to what some of the guys on here are home brewing only it uses a manganese drier instead of a lead one.

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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2011, 02:38:07 AM »
There's an old adage about linseed oil.  If the old gray cells ain't slippin too badly:
Once a day for a week, once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year for life.

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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2011, 02:39:49 AM »
I second the Chamber's oil.  Easiest finish I've ever used.  Wipe on, let sit a few minutes, wipe off.  Let dry and repeat till the desired build up is attained.
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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2011, 06:21:23 AM »
I'm at the point in my first build that I am starting to concentrate on which finish to use.  I have read most of the posts on different finishes. I came across this drying linseed oil in the oil paint section at the hobby lobby.  The bottle states

Increases gloss, flow and transparency of oil colours.  Speeds drying.  Use Drying
Poppy Oil for pale colours and whites.          Linseed oil/manganese driers.

It is a darker colour than the rest of the linseed oil products there and sounds
like it would work as a stock finish.   I'm trying some on a scrap now to see what
the drying time is like.

How can I tell when it is dry enough for next coat (smell maybe?)  and has anyone
used this before?


Since you are buying the high prices painters stuff by some Grumbachers Oil Painting Medium III and mix it about 50-50. It makes linseed oil more water resistant. IE it won't water spot.

You can make drying oil as is detailed in oil making posts on the site for far less than buying artist supplys. Drys just as good, maybe better. I do use the Grumbachers mix with it though.

Dan
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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2011, 07:37:08 PM »
Thanks Dan     I will try the grumbachers mix on a test piece.   This is my first longrifle build and I want to stay reasonably traditional. That said, I am not that trusting of my chemist skills and am hesitant to make my own. Down the road I will
try some home cooked stuff to gain the expierience. 

Thanks to all who have responded.  I appreciate all the help this forum has given me.

Dave

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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 05:58:37 PM »
Thanks Dan     I will try the grumbachers mix on a test piece.   This is my first longrifle build and I want to stay reasonably traditional. That said, I am not that trusting of my chemist skills and am hesitant to make my own. Down the road I will
try some home cooked stuff to gain the expierience. 

Thanks to all who have responded.  I appreciate all the help this forum has given me.

Dave

Other than some citrus based solvent the Grumbachers is basically an oil varnish. Unless they changed it. Last bottle had no ingredients on the label.

Dan
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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 07:03:35 PM »
Contains: delta-3-carene    ( occurs naturally as a constituent of turpentine according to wiki)       d-limonene  (citrus oil i believe)   isopropyl alchohol   and oil of turpentine

I mixed some up and tried it on a test piece.    It seems to penetrate better and is drying (seems like) faster.   Shows to be a little darker, which I like.

I have put drops of each on a piece of glass and let it run down. We'll see how that dries. My biggest fear is to recoat too soon.


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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2011, 07:51:05 PM »
Dave, I would suggest that you will find the artist grade turpentine to also be a good investment for your mix.
kind regards, heinz

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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2011, 08:01:00 PM »
How long will a batch of this stuff last mixed.   Just wondering if I need to mix a little for each coat or mix enough to do several coats.  Got first small batch mixed up in an old hot sauce bottle, makes it easy to get just a few drops at a time out.

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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2011, 08:49:39 PM »
How long will a batch of this stuff last mixed.   Just wondering if I need to mix a little for each coat or mix enough to do several coats.  Got first small batch mixed up in an old hot sauce bottle, makes it easy to get just a few drops at a time out.

I pour 1/2 into a like amount of my version of boiled LS oil.
Far better shelf life than Tru-oil. I have yet to lose any to old age.


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Re: winsor & newton drying linseed oil
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2011, 12:22:38 AM »
Thanks again,

Dave