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Offline Clark Badgett

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Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« on: June 13, 2011, 05:58:28 AM »
Where can one find a proper pattern for one? I want to make myself one, and while I don't re-enact I would want it to be historically accurate.
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 06:08:05 AM »
You can pay for a pattern from several sources made by several companies. There have been articles (Beth Gilgun, IIRC) in Muzzleloader magazine, and there were good directions in one of the Books of Buckskinning.

If you want, I can hunt one of them up and send you a photocopy.
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2011, 06:12:53 AM »
Kermit, that would be outstanding. I suppose these things were made on a rectangular pattern?
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2011, 06:31:05 AM »
PM Luke Macgillie. He is just finishing up one and can direct you on what may be right or wrong with available patterns if you are serious about historical accuracy.
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2011, 06:26:57 AM »
Sheeesh! I didn't realize how deep my "archives" went. I found the articles in Muzzleloader that I've used to make shirts and frocks. To save others the issue-by-issue search through tables of contents, look in January of '90 for shirts and November also of '90 for frocks.

In looking back I realize just how much I enjoyed Beth Gilgun and Mark Baker back 20 years and on. Too bad they moved on. Good writers, both. Many other good writers have been in those pages--and a few not so good...
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2011, 07:00:15 AM »
Addendum: I looked up the Book of Buckskinning #? piece on shirt making--and hadn't realized how un-HC it seems in a couple of respects. Here, however, are a few on-line bits on shirts and their sewing that seem better.

http://www.marquise.de/en/1700/howto/maenner/18hemd.shtml
http://www.nwta.com/patterns/pdfs/261MensShirt.pdf
http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/shirt.htm
http://www.ehow.com/how_8494679_sew-18th-century-mans-shirt.html

The second one seems particularly lucid and useful.

If you want more, go to Google and look at 18th century mens shirt (patterns or instructions. You'll get links to pattern sales, but you can sift for other interesting info too.
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2011, 11:03:58 PM »
Sketchbook 76 has a pattern based on an original - this is one that Luke recommends as being "right".
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 11:16:45 PM »
Thanks for all the information guys. Seems regular men's shirts stayed fairly similar in cut and construction thru the 1850s.
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2011, 12:16:42 AM »
smoke n fire news has a couple of patterns,c and jarnigan and jas townsend and son. stay away from eagle view and some others,as the edges are rounded on the capes and the bottom of the frock. all 18th century shirt patterns are square edged, rectangle shaped. basicly a bunch of rectangles gathered at the shoulder and the wrist. get a medium weight for the body, linnen, linsey woolsey of fustian. get a course heavy weight for the fringe. the round pattern shirt patterns seened to have been invented either for, or after the bi-centennial.
for a summer weight shirt here in n.c., i use osneberg,it is a cheap rough grade cotton that looks like linnen but it breathes better in hot weather. it also dies very well with veg. dies. osneberg in the 18 th century was rough spun linnen not cotton, but is accepted in all the reenactor/ interpreter circles i run in. hemp works for colder weather. it was used extensively for slave clothes, and was a cash crop for many farms in the south.  hope this helps.....                                                                                                       mark ewing

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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2011, 01:45:12 AM »
hemp works for colder weather. it was used extensively for slave clothes, and was a cash crop for many farms in the south.  hope this helps.....                                                                                                       mark ewing

Hemp was Kentucky's main cash crop before tobacco. I guess you can say it still is, if you take iinto consideration hemp's THC laden sister. ;)

I am considering real linen or linsey-woolsey. A woolen will probably win out so I can wear it hunting.

I wonder if someone makes a pure wool blaze orange stocking hat. ;D
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 02:13:57 AM »
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I wonder if someone makes a pure wool blaze orange stocking hat. ;D

Check out this link to the hats that Morgan Shea offers:  http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=15424.0
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 03:59:29 AM »
The Sketchbook 76 pattern is pretty good for ending up with something that looks pretty good, but it is for sure not a pattern to make the Duryea hunting shirt in anything other than outward appearance........

I happen to know there are some patterns comming on the market for hunting shirts here real soon that are a pattern, but also will give you good images of the original garment and tailor directions.

One thing to keep in mind, 2 of the 4 surviving shirts were made with the cloth selvage running down the front, IE there is no "Splitting" of the front, and you have no underarm seams, but you do have seams running from the shoulder to neck.........


Anyway here are some photos of a Hunting Shirt I made while I was in Iraq, more or less based off the Sketchbook pattern, but with a falling collar instead of a stand up one, and with tape ties to close

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/montourseth/MacGillies%20Mercantile/

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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2011, 05:39:46 AM »
Sent an email with address for free pattern with directions. You can private mail with any questions..Peashooterjoe

Offline Clark Badgett

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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2011, 07:14:12 AM »
Luke that is one sharp looking shirt.
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2011, 04:12:50 PM »
Luke that is one sharp looking shirt.

Thanks so much Clark,

Dont know where in Southern Indiana you are, but Im now back stateside.  Shoot at Buck Creek in Linton and Thundercreek in Brown County as well as being a member of the Culpeper Min Bn.   

I will be more than happy to get you squared away with how to make one of these.

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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2011, 11:35:38 PM »
Luke, I'm on the sunny side of Louisville, Floyds Knobs to be exact.
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2011, 12:42:47 AM »
Are you comming to Ft Harrod this weekend?  I will be there Friday evening till first light sun morn.....


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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2011, 04:20:57 AM »
Can't. The FIL has conned me into taking him to Bardstown on Saturday, and Sunday the wife has already warned me to not plan on heading anywhere.

I haven't been to Ft Harrod in decades. Been down to the tiny Ft Logan in Stanford, KY yet?
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Re: Hunting frock/shirt pattern?
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2011, 05:44:17 AM »
Cool shirt...that would be a neat project.