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Offline David Rase

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Hunting Horn Question
« on: July 13, 2011, 10:06:32 PM »
I am in the process of building my first hunting (blowing) horn and have a question concerning the mouthpiece.  I designed my mouthpiece using some basic dimensions for a trumpet mouthpiece.  It works okay but when I unscrew it from the horn and blow directly through the larger hole in the throat it sounds much better.  My question is how large should I make the hole in the mouthpiece.  The current hole is about 5/32" diameter.  The hole in the throat is 27/64", the minor diameter for a 1/2-13 tap. 
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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 01:14:31 AM »
 Dave,
  I use a 1/4" in the mouth piece and the horn. Hopefully Down South will add to this.

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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 03:18:39 AM »
Hi David:
I tend to use a 1/4 inch hole, like Tim.  The larger the hole, the lower the tone...until the hole is so large that tone is lost (or you get a tuba).  The smaller the hole the higher the pitch.  Jeff Bibb has a very old horn that is a screecher.  The hole between the mouthpiece and the body of the horn is tiny.  Also:  the shape of the inside of the mouthpiece has an effect on pitch.  Lower pitches come from trumpet shapes.  Higher pitches come from french horn shapes.  Hope that helps.

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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 03:48:11 AM »
Hi Dave,
I went through the same process and turned a beautiful mouthpiece--only problem was that it did not resinate at all.  All hat and no cowboy.  I then made another one with a 1/4" hole and tapered the inside so it created a cone--resonating chamber--using a drill and a taper bit.  I have seen many old examples of this type of horn and all are pretty loud and create a solid tone.  That being said, I am stillworking on finishing that horn, but it sure can call the dogs--just ask my wife.   I blew it in the basement to check the tone and the dogs on the 3rd floor went nuts!  Hope this helps...
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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 04:36:03 AM »
Let me know when you get this figured out. I'd like to build one but no sense both of us being confused.

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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 07:54:31 AM »
Thanks for all the help.  I drilled my mouthpiece out to 7/32" and enlarged the cone.  The horn is resonating good and loud.  Don't know what the neighbors thought.  At least I tested it while it was still light out.
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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 08:25:08 PM »
I have 3 old original hunting horns made with no mouth pieces...(one made from buffalo horn)...they all have what seems to me to be smallish holes and have been coned or funneled out a bit...

they are neat, but for the life of me I cant imaging how they blew them with such tiny apetures, but then thats the difference between a baritone player and a french horner too I suppose.

I could privide photos and measurements if desired...
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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 08:30:51 PM »
I have 3 old original hunting horns made with no mouth pieces...(one made from buffalo horn)...they all have what seems to me to be smallish holes and have been coned or funneled out a bit...

they are neat, but for the life of me I cant imaging how they blew them with such tiny apetures, but then thats the difference between a baritone player and a french horner too I suppose.

I could privide photos and measurements if desired...
TC
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I think I can speak for a lot of us by saying photos would be great.  Any measurements would be an added bonus.  I know I plan on building a few more hunting horns.  Any information would be appreciated.
Dave

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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 10:33:01 PM »
I recently inherited a set of mounted Longhorn horns.  I plan to make a blowing horn from at least one of them.  Thanks for some basic info to experiment on the mouthpiece with!

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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 11:56:06 PM »
This is a great set of posts.  What has me very interested is that the subject is a simple hunting horn.  I made hunting horns for over 20 years before I started making powder horns.  No one except the houndsmen that made them for had any interest in them.  In the last few years I have been watching the interest in them grow.  A few months ago there were a some of very interesting posts on ALR about a couple of hunting horns that led into the sharing of many photos of craftsmen's work and lots of how to discussion.  Here's my question to all of you guys:  Why the sudden interest into how to make a hunting horn?  What's their magic that causes so much interest?  I have my own theory.  I want to see what you guys have to say.  And if you make them, how about a few posts of pictures of what you make.  It should be an interesting disucssion and one worth following.
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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2011, 01:36:09 AM »
Here's my question to all of you guys:  Why the sudden interest into how to make a hunting horn?  What's their magic that causes so much interest?  I have my own theory.  I want to see what you guys have to say.  And if you make them, how about a few posts of pictures of what you make.  It should be an interesting disucssion and one worth following.
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Down South,  My interest in hunting horns started when I attended the HCH annual meeting in Williamsburg, VA.  Billy Griner talked about hunting horns and that was all it took to generate an interest.  My other driver is that I love to work through how to create something that is rare that I or many people have never done before.  I am really interested in making a pocket or pouch hunting horn next.
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Re: Hunting Horn Question
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2011, 03:51:54 AM »
Dave...give me a few days to dig them out and photograph them etc...I have a rim banded hunting horn with applied mouth piece too, but think I have posted those images already?

But just in case here it is again...
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