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Offline Dan'l 1946

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Ian Pratt on the Blog
« on: October 11, 2011, 04:37:55 PM »
  There's an Ian Pratt rifle on the Blog today that is truly incredible! Altho that is the case with all his rifles...

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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 04:42:05 PM »
Just saw that! Still can't close my pie hole. :o Stunning. One very long barrel, that. Any more info on this one?
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 05:52:35 PM »
Unbelievable!! Just stunning work! Here I am still trying to muster the courage to do a pewter knife bolster for heavens sake! Truly a beautiful piece of work.

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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 06:06:10 PM »
It's very unusual and a real piece of folk art......no cookie cutter gun here! ;D
I really like it, 'specially since I've never been able to pour pewter worth a @!*%!
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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 06:17:18 PM »
 Maybe you can't pour pewter, Mike, but you surely make some very fine guns yourself! Not "cookie cutter" stuff either.
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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 07:30:10 PM »
Very creative and unique.How many people would have thought of using pewter around the wrist area.The barrel tang running almost all of the way to the end of the comb is a nice touch also.

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 08:50:39 PM »
Just when you think his work couldn't possibly get any better! Sure makes you wonder what he'll turn out next. Outstanding artistic ability!

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2011, 09:12:16 PM »
Wow!  One of the best contemporary pieces I have seen.  Outside the box but easily believable as something that could have been done 200 years ago.  Outstanding piece. 

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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 09:22:51 PM »
A part of our history that has long been overlooked, but is really fascinating, is that of the southeastern tribes - Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole - in the era between the 1790s and  the Trail of Tears.  A really complex mix of cultures and tribal politics as they tried to assimilate, yet maintain their own independence.  Many of these people were of mixed ancestry - the sons of Scottish and English traders who had made their way into the region in the 18th century, and native mothers. 

When looking at original southern rifles, I often wonder how many might have been made for Native American customers - not trade pieces - but rifles made for specific customers, built and decorated to their tastes.  This rifle really captures the feel of that "what if" scenario.

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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 10:46:51 PM »
Wow- my new favorite contemporary piece. Ian has done an amazing job.  His creativity and craftmanship are both highlighted in this rifle. Would like to know the caliber and barrel length of this rifle.  Any idea who the customer is?
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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 12:05:26 AM »
Ian, That is really cool. I like the over the comb tang a little longer but other than that.... ;D

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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 03:23:55 AM »
Talk about creative!  That's about the coolest thing I've seen in a long time! Keep up the good work, Ian!

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2011, 03:39:39 AM »
Every morning I take time to look at the Contemporary Makers site to see whats on display. I was blown away when this gun showed up ! This is a really impressive rifle .
Hard to call it a "poor boy" !
I liked it so much it's I made it my new wallpaper, just so I can look at it and be inspired.

Nice job, Ian .

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2011, 05:36:53 PM »
Beautiful rifle!!

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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2011, 07:30:36 PM »
Thanks Ian for continuing to inspire!!!

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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2011, 05:13:29 AM »
Thats a real stunner! Hats off to Mr. Pratt!

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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2011, 05:38:33 AM »
Ian, you never cease to amaze!
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2011, 05:56:34 AM »
Guys I thank you for the very kind words. It is an unusual rifle I'll admit, not copied from any original piece, at least not any I have seen while awake. There is a whole scenario which surrounds it, which in time is going to spawn a pair of guns related to this one.  
  To answer the questions asked - it's a four foot barrel in .32 caliber. Kermit you had asked for any more info on the rifle - let me know what you were wondering about. I am happy to answer anybody's questions about it. Thanks again for the nice comments on the rifle, I appreciate it.

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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2011, 06:20:32 AM »
Ian,

Congratulations it's EXCEPTIONAL!!! In my estimation You have created your own school! Cant wait to get mine!!

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2011, 11:31:47 PM »
Dave, I am in line for Ian to build a rifle. How in the world would an individual describe how to build a rifle on what this threes is about. Some of the wood around the patch lube hole in the stock looks like the wood has wrinkles in the gouges. Fantastic job Ian.

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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2011, 04:45:55 AM »
I really like the creativity that went into this rifle. There is not a picture of one cool detail. I don't know how many pulled the ramrod out on this rifle, but it has a iron jag with the cleaning tines on the end of it. Super cool detail that is original, but not often seen on contemporary rifles. Also I don't know that pictures really do this rifle justice, even though they are great pictures. This rifle has a barrel that was hand profiled by Ian. I make my living by drawing and being able to see with my eyes. I would have swore that the barrel was 50" long. He made the rifle barrel really skinny. It is a nice one to hold in your hands and to soak up the detail and texture. Hard to describe, but anyone that held it and looked it over will know what I mean.
Great job Ian!
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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2011, 04:41:08 PM »
A part of our history that has long been overlooked, but is really fascinating, is that of the southeastern tribes - Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole - in the era between the 1790s and  the Trail of Tears.  A really complex mix of cultures and tribal politics as they tried to assimilate, yet maintain their own independence.  Many of these people were of mixed ancestry - the sons of Scottish and English traders who had made their way into the region in the 18th century, and native mothers. 

When looking at original southern rifles, I often wonder how many might have been made for Native American customers - not trade pieces - but rifles made for specific customers, built and decorated to their tastes.  This rifle really captures the feel of that "what if" scenario.

Guy

Very good point indeed.  I have often thought the same thing myself.  A lot of folks don't realize that while a lot of American Indians during this time frame were monetarily poor, some were also fairly wealthy and their business / trade skills rivaled anybody's on the continent.  I would not be surprised to learn some of them had pretty fancy and well-made rifles.
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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2011, 01:15:27 PM »
    That is one fine gun. Ian, you have a very good imagination.  How about you giving us an idea of how you finished and aged the wood an metal and how long it took you. Once again GREAT JOB.    Thanks    AL
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2011, 05:38:05 AM »
I'll be happy to  -  Finishing starts at the beginning. What I mean by this is that selection of the stock wood is of prime importance to me. I have built enough guns that I recognize certain qualities or lack thereof in a piece of wood, qualities that will have direct bearing on the final appearance of the rifle. Allowing for some variables , going into a project I always have a feel for what the finished appearance of the gun ought to be. I won't just grab any piece of wood and start flailing, there is going to be a piece somewhere that talks to me and I won't start on a project without it. For many projects there is a range of what I'll accept, but for some it is very specific.
  The piece I needed for the rifle you asked about didn't need to be the hardest piece - not soft by any means, but I was looking more for a piece was perhaps denser than hard with an undulating and fairly tight figure, strong in the right areas.. this much of the description covers the working properties. The stock was to be shaped mostly with planes and scrapers. I wanted a very worn appearance to the stock with parts of the figure appearing dropped out or shrunken, and I knew that using those tools with a slightly coarser technique would add to the desired effect. Also wood with these qualities will often take the stain and finish quite differently than other types, also adding to the total effect.
  Other properties that I needed were perhaps more readily apparent and immediately visual. I needed a certain look to the grain, and the placement, size and intensity of the figure were important too. I wanted to have strongest figure in the butt end up through the wrist, with the curl roughly the same width as the elements in the wrist inlay. The higher intensity of the figure there would give not just a good color contrast within the stock, but the ripples in the finished wood there would also have a texture that matched the way the pewter would stand slightly proud of the wrist. From there I wanted the figure to fade and return in intensity out through the forend, which to me gives some visual interest.
 To finish the stock, I selectively fine scraped certain areas then stained with a 3 to 1 nitric acid stain pretty well depleted with wrought iron filings, then lightly sanded the stock, more so in higher wear areas. From there I applied boiled linseed oil cut with good turpentine. After letting this dry for a few days I started to apply an oil based varnish. The first coat of oil and spirits of turpentine and the first couple coats of varnish I tinted by grinding in dry pigments.
  A lot of these things are very subtle individually and I rely on a combined layering to get to the final outcome. It is suprising sometimes how dramatic an effect can be achieved by making small changes - and sometimes dramatic is not what you are after. For that reason it is very important to use cutoff pieces of your stock wood to test your techniques, and also important to go through your whole process before committing it to the rifle.
  When working with steel or wrought iron, your choices of materials are much more limited than with stock woods, but there are still many working and finishing properties to be considered, so I approach the iron work much in the same way as I do the stock work. For example, the guard and triggers on the rifle you are asking about were made to look as if they had been saved from an earlier Piedmont gun and reused on this rifle. The material they were made of was different than what was used on the rest of the gun, and they were also finished differently. I wanted them to look as if they'd had a previous life before they found there way onto this rifle.
  The iron work was pitted with aqua regia, a couple uneven coats and long times in the damp box. After that I scrubbed it mostly bare, leaving it a bit scaley wherever I thought it needed it, then started to build the surface color with a weaker acid solution. While this is going on I rub some of the high spots back, let them rust again, rub back again etc. You have to know when to stop, in the past I have gone too far and you end up erasing alot of detail you worked hard to get.
  Lastly I neutralize a metal finish like this by washing in a strong ammonia / soapy water bath then heat and flood with oil, wipe it down when it's cool. For this one I also finished it off with Rennaisance wax after a few days.
  Like with the stock finish process I described, I do not use this metal finishing method on every gun I make. Each one has it's individual set of needs depending on what that gun needs to be. The way I often approach it is to look at the idea I have, understand what I am going to try to do with it, and then figure out what tools I am going to need to bring it to life.
  I never used to think about my work in these terms, really never gave it much thought at all. Teaching gun building classes has forced me to think about what I do and why.  
  How much time does this kind of thing take? I don't keep track. I don't even look at the calendar much any more. I work on guns six or seven days a week, I guess if I start one and it's hot outside but it's snowing when I finish it, or if we hear from more than five bill collectors in a week it means I need to work faster.    
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Re: Ian Pratt on the Blog
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2011, 06:58:44 AM »
    LOL.. ;D.. That's funny, I know what you mean about the bill collectors, but now that my son is out of collage things are getting better.
    Thanks for the reply, it's always interesting and helpful to here how other people go about doing things. What is aqua regia and where do you buy it? Is that what you used on the barrel?
    I'm getting ready to start a poor boy, but haven't decided on how I what to finish it or if I'm going to use brass or steel,a trigger guard or a strap for a guard. I do like the aged look and I will more than likely go with that, just not sure if I can get an aged look on brass that I will like, I don't care for the brass black stuff.
    There is nothing like picking out a peace of wood, I have only got to do it a few times, but that is probably a good thing, it takes me forever to pick out the right stock.     Thanks again    AL
   
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