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Offline Mike Brooks

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Re: Engraver steel type for beginner
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2022, 01:03:25 AM »
I once saw H.House pick up an old 3 corner file and spend less than a minute with it on a grinder. He then went to work cutting incredible effortless engraving with it. So, engraving is easy, right? ;)
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Re: Engraver steel type for beginner
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2022, 07:24:36 PM »
When shaping out a graver, wether it's made from a lathe tool blank, a file or any other piece of decent steel,,
Carefull grind the cutting end down to a very small tip.
if you happen to gring it too far and make it a spike point, that's OK as you can then just take it back a small amt on a stone and there's your flat face again.
The idea is to have a very minimum of a 'face' on the tool.
That will make it very easy to keep sharp, fast to resharpen. Most importantly you will not be so inclined to round that smaller face over when sharpening as you will a larger area.

The heel on a flat graver bottom edge and the heel on each side of a V shape chisel need not be very long at all.
Just a very minimum of length, as this only redirects the point so that in cutting it makes the engraver raise the tool off the surface and keeps your hand and fingers clear of the work.

It also provides a stronger point of course and changing the angle in small increments is sometimes done just for that purpose.
An extreme 'high' heel is sometimes put on a graver in cutting some specialty work like silver ware where initials and monograms may be placed at the bottom of shallow bowles and the like. That keeps the graver upright to the extreme to avoid hitting the edges of the work piece while engraving deep down in.

A long heel can be helpfull in gun engraving to some when cutting very long straight lines like borders. The heel rides in the cut line and helps direct the cut.
Some find it helpful,,others not so much.

If you use a graver with a heel that is too long on general work,,you will get that raggety saw-tooth looking effect on the outside of arcs and circle lines. That's the long heel of the graver dragging behind damaging the cut line.
The tool needs 'lift' to clear the cut going around arcs and circles. A short heel with the proper angle will do that for you.

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Re: Engraver steel type for beginner
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2022, 01:29:45 AM »
Thanks for all those tips!!

I may just take an old triangle needle file an see what happens after shaping the point. That seems to be a less stressful way of exploring engraving.

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Re: Engraver steel type for beginner
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2022, 04:33:48 PM »
Thanks for all those tips!!

I may just take an old triangle needle file an see what happens after shaping the point. That seems to be a less stressful way of exploring engraving.
You may not have great success with that direction. The advice you have received must be overwhelming.  Take a look around for Lynton  MacKenzie  engraving methods. He used a minimum of tools and simple sharpening  methods that give consistent results. You can learn to properly sharpen and engrave with one stone. A 1/2" piece of hardened drill rod and a 3/32" square graver blank. I had Stoner Creek engraving in  5 minutes.
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Re: Engraver steel type for beginner
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2022, 09:38:07 PM »
Yes it is a bit overwhelming. I will certainly look up Lynton McKenzie. Thanks, Mike.

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Re: Engraver steel type for beginner
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2022, 11:53:45 PM »
I like MOMAX carbide. HSS is fine too. Watch out for wide lines.....
Glen Steel is carbide?

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Re: Engraver steel type for beginner
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2022, 12:21:31 AM »
I like MOMAX carbide. HSS is fine too. Watch out for wide lines.....
Glen Steel is carbide?
Beats me, I never heard of it before.
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Re: Engraver steel type for beginner
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2022, 01:04:33 AM »
GlenSteel is a proprietary name HSS graver bit from the GRS Corporation.
They sell the GraverMax air assist engraving machine, a heavy engraving vise, a power hone, etc,,,

MOMAX is a cobalt steel graver, not a Carbide graver.
I use MOMAX quite a bit

I've never used any GlenSteel bits that I remember. But they likely work as good as any others out there for general use.
Not untill you get into the really tough to cut steel like you would find in knives or some of the more recent mfg modern firearms do you need to worry about using carbide.
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Re: Engraver steel type for beginner
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2022, 05:42:43 AM »
I learned to engrave as Kutter suggests. The only difference was that I use 1/8" lathe bits driven into a steel handle. This speaking to 1/8" bits not 3/32" bits. Drill a hole in your rod with an "F" bit. After grinding a slight bevelon one end of the bit, clamp it in a vise with the bevel end out. CAREFULLY drive the rod over the end until you reach the end. Done this way, you dont need a set screw and can use a smaller diameter rod. I use a a lathe bit inserted in a palm handle for shading.