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Offline walt53

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getting oil out of lock mortise
« on: February 14, 2011, 09:58:42 PM »
I bought a HAWKEN USED AND THE MORTISE IS BLACK THERES BEEN SO MUCH OIL PUT ON THE LOCK. WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD AND SAFE WAY TO CLEAN THIS UP. ANY AN ALL SUJESTIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2011, 10:13:03 PM »
It can be tricky to remove oil without harming the surrounding finish.  You can get rid of some oil by simply packing the lock mortise with sanding dust.  This will be much more efficient, however, if you apply a good solvent to the mortise first and quickly pack with the sanding dust while it's still wet.  Flood the surface with TCE or acetone and pack in the sanding dust before while the surface is still wet with the solvent. Acetone tends to be harder on finishes than TCE but you'll need to be careful with either.  Whiting can be used rather than sanding dust and will draw the oil out more efficiently but sanding dust is more readily available.  The stock head on double barrel shotguns frequently gets oil soaked.  On those I simply soak the stock head in a large can of acetone for a couple days and remove it to a bucket full of find saw dust.  Removes most of the oil and usually the stock finish as well. 

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2011, 10:23:52 PM »
Scrub the affected area with a tooth brush and terps. That will get you back to the wood. Then hang a light bulb close to the stock (keep an eye in it as you don't  want to scorch the wood). As the oil leeches out keep cleaning it up with Qtips etc. You may not get it all but this should help considerabley. good luck   .I am sure some of the members more learned than myself are going come up with some really good and better solutions but you have a start.
Cheers    Bob
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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 11:54:43 PM »
In place of snyder's sanding dust, try cat litter crushed up.  I've had success using it to get fuel oil out of wood after furnace repairs (long and repeated story). Heating first as suggested will help.  If you don't have a cat you'll only need a small bag...
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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2011, 12:34:04 AM »
Walt:    You might want to try some strong industrial detergent on a small applicator such as a Q tip or a small tooth brush .   What you need to do is breakdown the petroleum molecues so they will have no more impact on the wood fibers.  Petroleum and wood do not like each other - after time the oil will dissolve wood fiber.  I 've had some success with strong detergent.   ;)   Hugh Toenjes
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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2011, 12:38:20 AM »
Two methods:

#1 (least likely to do any damage at all to the finish)  Fill the lock mortice with table salt or, better yet popcorn salt (much finer than regular table salt), or whiting (powdered chalk).  Put a piece of a black plastic bag over the lock area and leave it out in the sun during the day for several days.  Change the salt a few times - if it is absorbing oil, it will turn slightly brown in areas.

#2 (If carefully done, this will suck up the oil and not damage the finish either, but takes some care).  Get some whiting from Brownell's.  Put a little in a dish and mix with enough acetone to form a thin slurry - a little thinner than heavy cream.  Paint the slurry quickly (the acetone will evaporate fairly fast) in the lock mortice with an artists brush and don't get any on the exterior finish.  Cover with the black plastic and leave in the sun as above (or use the light bulb trick mentioned in one of the other responses).  You can also use a hot air heat gun to speed things up but it is much easier to ruin the existing finish that way.  After a day or so, brush away the dried whiting with a toothbrush and repeat the process until the whiting doesn't turn brown from absorbing oil.  Takes a few days of this, but really gets the oil out of the wood.  I have saved many a declared "unsalvageable" oil soaked 1903 stock using both these methods.
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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2011, 12:43:43 AM »
instead of whiting from brownells, would chalk line chalk from home depot work??    mark

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2011, 01:59:42 AM »
Whiting is powdered chalk, it's safe to use but may show in open grain finishes. 

Please DO NOT use salt to draw out oil or anything else from your stock!  It will soak into the wood from moisture in the atmosphere and will later cause rust on steel in contact or near to it, even if you put stock finish over the treated area.  It will act the same as "salt cured" wood that cost Browning millions of dollars in parts and labor!  I've seen barrels on Superposed shotguns rusted through, and I owned a T-Bolt that originally had salt wood.  Not fun!

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2011, 02:10:34 AM »
I concur with the use of whiting, but not the solvents recommended.  Use automotive brake parts cleaner.  It shouldn't affect your finish if it gets on it.
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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2011, 08:20:14 AM »
Diatomaceous earth will soak up oil too. If you have a pool or spa you won't have to go buy a bunch.
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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2011, 04:36:25 PM »
bakeovencleaner remove oil from stocks but   it will ruin every finish.

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2011, 04:21:07 AM »
Tri-sodium phosphate will do the job. A saturated mix of TSP and water will draw the grease/oil out. I did a milsurp stock that way and got it all out.

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2011, 05:45:41 AM »
"Oil Dry" material designed to absorb automotve oil from garage floors, while too coarse as packaged, might do well if ground into finer form.
Good luck with your efforts.

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2011, 06:27:33 AM »
Pack it with Diatomaceous Earth, it can be found on the WWW or larger pet stores, and warm it up.
The stuff will suck up any oil that is present on the surface and any that comes out when it warmed. It may take a numerous sessions to do much and it will never pull it all out.
It is likely that the bore was oiled and then the gun stood muzzle up. The oil, even if not heavily oiled, will pool at the breech and will run out the vent/nipple and into the stock in the lock area.
I always stand the rifle muzzle down for a few hours or over night to prevent this.

There are other ways to remove the oil, sovents etc, but this is the least invasive. Brush the diatomaceous  earth out of the areas to get as much as possible out.
Then put in some more and repeat the process. Just put the stock in hot sun muzzle down can bring out a lot of oil. But remember that some of the oils have solvents that evaporate  and leave a grease or waxy film behind. This will not flow out of the wood.

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2011, 07:27:03 PM »
Get a few scraps of sheetrock and "edge sand" with a surform, known in the trade as a drywall plane.
When I used to hang rock it used to suck ALL the oils out of my hands. Then I had a side of oil tanned leather that was so oily I couldn't cement the pieces together, rubber cement wouldn't stick. Brought home some scraps and planed up a batch of the dust. Put it on the project, left it for a couple days and it pulled enough oil to allow the cement to work. Easy and you can get the scraps free, just find a drywaller, your local lumberyard can put you in touch with one.

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2011, 12:00:31 AM »
Most of the soak methods will get the surface and near surface oils.
But the deep down oil needs to come out too or it'll just make it's way to the surface sooner or later.

After years of trying numerous methods of getting oil out of gunstocks, primarily SxS butt stocks & forends, I've settled on a soak in laquer thinner first.
It does as good a job as acetone, doesn't evaporate as fast when working with it, hopefully isn't as bad for you,,but still does evaporate from the wood in a 1/2 hour or so (usually less) once pulled from the stuff.

Once out of the thinner soak, I use whiting powder. A can from Brownells has lasted a long time even though I use it all the time.
I use cheap rubbing alcohol to mix the paste up instead of acetone.
Acetone may cut the oil in the wood better but it evaporates so fast before it ever gets a chance to do that and that's not the role of the solvent in the paste anyway.
The alcohol (or acetone or laq thinner,,what ever you want to use in mixing the paste) is there only to make the whiting powder into the paste so you can get it onto the wood.
Reletively fast drying is a plus so it doesn't run, but it doesn't have to speed dry as acetone does.
It drys into a hard but brittle shell of whiting encasing & clinging to the wood and absorbs the oil as it makes it way to the surface.

As the coating turns yellow/brown after a day or so, brush it off and reapply another coating, remove that one when it turns color and reapply, again and again till no more oil discolors the wood.
It may take a couple weeks to a month to do a stock. But it is dry of oil when I'm done. Small price in time to pay when everything else done after that depends on an oil free wood to work on.

I sometimes have as many as a half dozen stocks and/or forends in the process at one time. Sometimes I forget about one or some of them but it doesn't matter. When I get to it, a quick brushing and recoat and back on the hook.

Yes it is a painfully slow process, but the only way you'll know that all the oil is removed (the whiting discoloration is the indicator). The other methods simply do not work to bring the deep down oil to the surface and extract & remove them in their shorter work times.

The oil can be several inches into the head of a butt stock/pistol grip and simply soaked thru side to side.

I've used the method for many years now on everything from Parkers to Purdeys to Military rifle restorations.

I'd used other methods like kitty litter, heat lamps, oil dry, water based solvents/cleaners, ect. But none do the complete job though they may seem too.
Leave the piece alone when you think it's dry of oil for a week and see if it starts to leak again.

If you don't want to harm existing finish, skip the laquer thinner soak and go right to the whiting. It'll just take a few more applications.


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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2011, 04:09:39 PM »
Having been a machinist for 37 years, I sometimes over oil. What works for me, for unwanted oil is denatured alchol. Jerry

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2011, 06:49:34 PM »
I am working on a stock currently that was over oiled and greased in the barrel channel and lock/trigger inlets. I tried denatured alchohol. Worked on surface stains. I tried heat (heat gun) just kept brining some oil to the surface. I got serious and sprayed it with easy off oven cleaner. WOW. Got it to the point where I could stain and finish the stock and scrape the residual off the inlets. Just what worked for me in this case.

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2011, 08:20:41 PM »
Are you certain it's oil staining the mortice or could it be powder residue and soot? But my real question is why are you worrying about residue in the mortice? When the lock is in no one is going to see it anyway. Just clean out the heavy excess so it's not sloppy and oil the lock frugaly in the future.

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Re: getting oil out of lock mortise
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2011, 04:38:10 AM »
If you do use oven cleaner/EZ Off,,I'd suggest flushing it with a wood bleach after you rinse the O/C off .
I've used oven cleaner in the past with some good results. It still won't get all the deep down oil out,,that may come back to the surface later. But it does do an efficient job otherwise.

Two things about it's use to watch out for when using it...
>It does leave the wood surface very soft and edges especially easily damaged.. 'while the wood is wet'...More so than with any other chemicle or method I've tried over the years.
But...Back to full strength when rinsed and dry.
>It can also leave the wood looking like an old wash board and sometimes with some odd shades & colors (green!) on walnut especially. The wood bleach after treatment solves this part of the problem.

A washing & rinse with wood bleach (not laundry bleach!) will neutralize any remaining lye in the O/Cleaner. It will also even up the color and lighten the wood color leaving it ready for staining.
Nothing special,,a couple of tbs of the crystals in a quart jar of warm water. Paint the stuff onto the still wet wood from the O/C rinse off. When light enough for you,,rinse that off and wipe dry. Let the wood air dry for a day or two.
Save the remainer soln,,heat it up for 30/45sec in the microwave next use.
Buy it in most any Home Depot type store in the paint dept.

Many custom stockmakers use a wood bleach wash after final sanding and before staining & finishing to both raise the grain and gain the nice even wood tone and surface it provides.

I've never experienced the disaster many have stated results from the use of O/Cleaner on wood. Some of my stocks I know of that are still out there redone from 35 years ago and going strong. No further wood damage and no damage to their metal parts and finish from the use of it.
..I imagine there's a limit to it's use like everything else before problems arise...