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Beyer rifle on gunbroker
« on: February 07, 2012, 08:53:16 PM »
I saw this and thought it might be of interest to the members.
Al

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=272717632

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Re: Beyer rifle on gunbroker
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 02:47:31 AM »
Thanks for posting this Al!
That's a pretty rare rifle,,, given that it's not relief carved like most of his guns!

I wonder what's going on up at the muzzle?
The barrel has about 4 or 5 inches cut off back at the breech end, but the gun is still flint,,, Maybe a reconversion under the rust on the lock?

It'll be interesting to see how much it brings. Overall it's a nice looking rifle, I'd think made late in Beyers career.

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Re: Beyer rifle on gunbroker
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 03:20:24 AM »
John - Why do you think it is cut off at the breech? Not calling you on it just trying to learn. The seller calls the barrel at 42.5 which seems respectable. Sights and signature seem to be in the right place. What am I missing? I do seem to see a break or perhaps replaced forearm from the middle thimble forward.

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« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 04:18:09 PM by Robert Wolfe »
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Re: Beyer rifle on gunbroker
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 04:11:59 AM »
Great opportunity to get a top maker gun for a reasonable price. I saw a Beyer at the Las Vegas show that was priced at 45K. Of course, it had all of the refinements you would expect on such a gun.
After looking this one over a few times, my conclusion is that the barrel has not been cut. The ferrules seem to be properly placed and the nose cap, stock area is cut correctly for a Beyer gun. The rear sight is a bit far back, but that may have been owner preference.
Gun has a pretty standard late English lock and the piece probably dates to the 1820s, or 1830s.
Thanks to Al for leading us to this. Always fun to see new material; truly amazing how many Beyer rifles have survived! Wonder, did he ever make any pistols?
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Re: Beyer rifle on gunbroker
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 04:17:39 AM »
Well Robert, there's a good chance I'm wrong! ::)

But, what I see is that the rear sight too far back. It usually sits about over the rear RR entry thimble.

To me, the signature looks too far back, about the same distance as the rear sight is too far back.

There is a witness mark on the forward end of the tang, that usually aligns with a witness mark on the back end of the barrel. Except there's no longer a witness mark on the barrel. This mark is engraved/cut as a straight line after the barrel and plug have been fitted, so if the plug is ever removed, it could be realigned exactly as it was originally. Since the line is cut in one motion so to say, on the fitted tang/ barrel unit, If the barrel was the original length the mark should be there.

And just by looking at the pictures, it looks like there is a longer distance between the rear ramrod pipe and the center one, than there is between the center pipe and the forward pipe. But the pictures are all angled a bit, so it's hard to say for sure.

And, if I remember correctly, a lot of Beyers barrels are usually about 45 or 46 inches.

It'd sure be easier to tell with gun in hand!
PS. Just saw No Golds reply, and he makes an equally good case for the barrel not being cutt back,,, well almost as good as mine.  ;D

John
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Re: Beyer rifle on gunbroker
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 06:07:20 AM »
Daryll Smith the seller says he may be able to make the gun available for inspection near his home in PA if anyone is interested.
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Re: Beyer rifle on gunbroker
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 03:30:20 PM »
There is always the possibility that Beyer used a reclaimed barrel from another rifle to make this one; shortened it a few inches , rebreeched it, and proceeded from there. Remember nothing was thrown away in the old days.

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Re: Beyer rifle on gunbroker
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 04:21:55 PM »
JTR - Thanks for the explanation. The witness mark on the barrel is so simple yet it never occurred to me. Wisdom from on high!
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Re: Beyer rifle on gunbroker
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 10:41:08 PM »
Always fun to see new material; truly amazing how many Beyer rifles have survived! Wonder, did he ever make any pistols?
Dick

I've seen one pistol with a Beyer-signed barrel, but it was a re-stock.  I always suspected someone got a rap on the head with the original gun; the tang was brazed together around the screw hole.  Barrel was 8-9" long, octagon-to-round.