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Bob D

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Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« on: July 17, 2012, 07:37:09 AM »
A Bedford county gunsmith of many years told me that the Somerset Dunmeyer rifles used barrel lugs that were different from all the other rifles he had worked on.  Along with a number of Dunmeyer rifles he had also worked on many other old rifles made by gunsmiths from Bedford and Somerset Counties.  Among them he named John White and Daniel Defibaugh.  He drew me a picture of how the lugs on Dunmeyer rifle barrels looked.  He said the shape allowed the barrel to be removed by simply removing the tang screw and sliding the barrel forward.  Removing the pins was not needed.  I was reluctant to try this but there was something preventing the ramrod on my Peter Dunmeyer Bedford rifle from inserting all the way into the stock, and it appeared the only way I could remove it was to take the barrel off. 

Fortunately I remembered that on one of the forums someone had given excellent instructions for removing a barrel and it didn't sound all that difficult.  So after a few more weeks of getting up my nerve I decided to do it.  However, since the pins looked like they might be removed easily I decided to not chance the slide idea.  Besides the Bedford gunsmith had only worked on Dunmeyer Somerset rifles and this was a Bedford.  I thought maybe the different lug idea might have originated with Jonathan.  To sum it up the barrel came off nicely and it had lugs exactly like the gunsmith had told me  (see the attached picture).   Looks like it might have been Peter's idea.

 At any rate my question is......Is anyone out there familiar with any other gunsmiths who used this type of lug or is it limited to the Dunmeyers?   

Offline ptk1126

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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 02:12:49 PM »
Nathan Clause (Heidelberg, Lehigh County) used fixed barrel pins with open ended lugs in 1820s-1830s.
Not sure if his father Henry also did it this way.

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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 03:12:15 PM »
I've seen this on a Virginia rifle as well.

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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 03:23:04 PM »
Joe Long did his underlugs the same way.   His barrel pins were always hidden under inlays...........Don

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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 04:06:02 PM »
I once owned a Jacob Shetz with the same type of lugs. Like Don mentioned Joe Long doing the cross pins were hidden under inlays. Had a straight tang and you just removed the tang bolt and slipped the barrel forward slightly and picked it up to remove it from the barrel channel.
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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 06:45:10 PM »
Henry Carlile of Shippensburg PA. was another one.

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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 09:22:29 PM »
I used blind hooks on this half  stock I built some 20 yrs ago.
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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 10:40:37 PM »
Some Bedford gun makers used this type of lugs, too. Stoudenour was one who did.
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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 11:47:50 PM »
I have seen several Westmoreland County ( Pittsburgh) with the same feature

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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2012, 12:05:16 AM »
I had a Henry Carlisle that had the same system

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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2012, 07:04:25 AM »
I used to own a rifle made by Eaton Barns, Franklin County, Indiana, that was made this way.

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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2012, 10:20:29 AM »
I used blind hooks on this half  stock I built some 20 yrs ago.


I first saw this on a John Clark ,Lebanon Ohio via Reading and Shippensberg and Maryland,.
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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2012, 01:50:52 PM »
I have an unsigned fullstocked rifle that uses these same blind hole barrel lugs. I guess this was so commonly done all over the eastern country that making any kind of attributions on their account would be totally futile.  :(            
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Re: Is this type barrel lug only found on Dunmeyer rifles?
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2012, 06:43:18 PM »
Looks like we have enough input to determine that this type of barrel lug was not found only on Dunmeyer Rifles.  While it may not be the only type of lug used by the Dunmeyers,  I  feel that if your Dunmeyer rifle has this type of open end lug you might feel reasonably comfortable that the barrel was installed by the Dunmeyers.   My thanks to all who contributed to the discussion.  It certainly cleared up another point for me.

     Bob