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der mike

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another project
« on: November 26, 2012, 03:39:41 PM »
welcome all: what have I gotten myself into?  any help with id?



*Edited by Dennis to display photo*
« Last Edit: November 26, 2012, 04:57:52 PM by Dennis Glazener »

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Re: another project
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 05:10:06 PM »
From the squared off tail and what little can be seen in the photo, my first guess is Henry Leman, but that's real curly maple (not inked on) and seems to be single set triggers, maybe a sporting Leman.

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Re: another project
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 05:24:34 PM »
All I see is one close up picture of a lock, you need to show several more pictures of the gun before there will be any chance of identifying a maker.

Frank

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Re: another project revised with pics
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Re: another project
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 08:13:59 PM »

http://www.daytonhistorybooks.com/page/page/3432383.htm

In 1830 or 1831, Henry Strickler and Jacob Wilt formed a partnership for the purpose of manufacturing gun barrels. The firm was increased in numbers in 1835, by the addition of George Rhodes, and the name became Strickler, Wilt & Company. They were located originally on the north side of the river, near " Steele's mill," or near where the Stilwell & Bierce Manufacturing Company is now located. The business was carried on in a small way for several years, but as it increased more room and better facilities were required, and the firm moved to the corner of Fifth Street and the canal, where they erected a building, which was three stories high and 100x40 feet in size. The capital stock of the frm was ten thousand dollars, and they employed from ten to twelve hands. When their business was most prosperous they turned out about eight gun barrels per day. These barrels were turned out smooth bores and rifled by the gunsmiths, to whom they were sold. A market was found for them all over the Western States. One of the peculiar features of the establishment was Mr. Wilt's method of straightening the barrels, which was of his own invention, as was also his method of grinding the barrels to the octagonal form.

            The firm of Strickler, Wilt & Company was dissolved, and the business was continued by Jacob Wilt and his brother, Jeremiah, under the firm name of Jacob Wilt & Company. This firm moved to the upper (page 403) in 1854, and after continuing for some years was succeeded by Wilt & Harrington. About this time the demand for gun barrels began to diminish, and it finally ceased altogether. The firm, therefore, turned their attention to the manufacture of cotton batting. Still later another change occurred, the firm becoming Wilt & Rasner. This firm gained a wide reputation for the manufacture of mill picks. It was dissolved in 1874, and Mr. Wilt died in 1881.


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Re: another project
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 09:04:04 PM »
It looks like the gun has been in a fire and the wood has been chared. You may have to enjoy this gun as is, restoration of a burned gun would be difficult at best.
Frank

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Re: another project
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 03:10:59 AM »
If you could do one more picture of a full length profile it would help a great deal. Thanks, Jack

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Re: another project
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Re: another project
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Re: another project
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2012, 04:32:31 AM »
Well that's a sad sight, but burned and charred like that leaves little that you can actually do for it. I guess you could add some new wood to the burned parts to try to make it whole again, but I guess I'd have to ask why... At this point it is what it is.
John
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Re: another project
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2012, 05:58:21 AM »
Thanks all for your thoughts. Went to the gunshow looking for a t/c Seneca in .36,everything there .50 cal., walking out i saw this poor burned and rusted gun just sitting by the door, the vendor was getting ready to leave and wanted $150..,,, I offered $80.00 and took it home. When I retire I Will restock and restore.hope I live long enough to complete.still need to know maker

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Re: another project
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 01:20:40 AM »
Pictures are gone now, but my memory of them is the whole thing was made around Dayton Ohio. Lots of locks and barrels of that type were made there. If the stirrup connnecting tumbler and main spring is a square or rectangular loop, I assure you it is from Dayton. I have owned several Lemans and see nothing that makes me think this is a Leman.

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Re: another project
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 03:20:29 AM »
Here is a small article on some of the Dayton area makers. Says they used locks made in that area.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/local/martin-sheets-rifles-part-of-areas-19th-century-lo/nM8CT/

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Re: another project // interior of lock
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 04:45:09 AM »
don; here are two pic of the stir up

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Re: another project update
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2012, 11:27:09 PM »
was able to remove breechblock and drum last night ,, very easy,, flooded area at end of barrel with oil then let it sit while at work, came home and applied a little muriatic acid via q-tip to joint, let it sit for 5 min,,,came right off....bore is rifled approx. .32 cal.............

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Re: another project update
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2012, 05:34:43 PM »
morning: removed buttplate this morn. the plate on the left is from the original, note the different color of brass and the different method of casting.




the plate on the right is from a Jukar circa mid seventies (1970's) Can anyone explain?