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Offline TMerkley

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Re: long barrels
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2013, 09:43:05 AM »
I would not want to be the one to pull that trigger!!!! 1/2 pound powder, 1pound shot.! OUCH!  Hopefully it was mounted on the boat!

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Re: long barrels
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2013, 03:40:50 PM »
That punt gun looks strangely Mediterranean.... ;) 

Customer height had nothing to do with barrel length.
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Re: long barrels
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2013, 04:02:55 PM »
That punt gun looks strangely Mediterranean.... ;) 

Customer height had nothing to do with barrel length.

That was my first thought.

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Re: long barrels
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2013, 06:11:24 PM »
I wonder, if a person posted that gun on this forum and asked for a critique, what the response would be.
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Re: long barrels
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2013, 06:36:46 PM »
Barrel lengths varied widely. Even when standardized for military or commercial (HBC) contracts. A specified 4' barrel could be an inch or more either side of that in many cases. Civilian arms were all over the place. I think it had more to do with what they ended up with after forging, reaming, rifling, etc. was done and they cleaned up the ends. Also, what you see today may not be the original length. With smooth bores, barrels tended to be longer the farther back you go (17th compared to 18th centuries). Longrifle barrels weren't the standard sizes we see offered commercially today. For example, Isaac Haines didn't use 38" barrels for all his guns.
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Re: long barrels
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2013, 09:01:40 PM »
Years ago I ran numbers on all the published stats I could find for longrifles.  The average of all schools was about 43.5", and the average for the Lancaster rifles was 44.5".  I find the numbers all the more remarkable when considering the short stature of people in that time period.

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Re: long barrels
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2013, 03:43:31 AM »
^^^^^

I'd agree with those lengths.
I've seen a lot of old guns, and 48" and longer barrels are few and far between in my experience. And most of those that are, are probably fowlers or oct/round barrels.

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Re: long barrels
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2013, 03:53:26 AM »
We need to remember that there were short barreled rifles as well at the time of the American Revolution. Documented. Where were they made? I could not say. Nor do I know the definition of "short". But I suspect 36" or less.

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Re: long barrels
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2013, 05:23:26 AM »
Guys,

My opinion here, not based on any extensive research.  A longer barreled gun should balance as well as a gun with a moderate length barrel.  I try to make the barrels so the gun will balance right at the point that the shooter's left hand will naturally hold the gun when offhand shooting.  This means when we make a long barrel, like the 56" one above, we must pay close attention to making the muzzle end rather light.  I believe that this is one reason for the fowling piece long barrels being octagon to round, to get some of the weight off the muzzle end.  The round part of the barrel is a lot more difficult to make than the octagon.  It seems to be rather natural to forge an octagon on the anvil face, to make a round we go to a 16-agon then a 32-agon then round.  although the longer barrel guns are quite unwieldy in a Pennsylvania laurel thicket, they should balance as well in the hand as a more typical 42" barrel gun.

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Re: long barrels
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2013, 01:36:26 AM »
There must have been giants living in the Hudson Valley...... ;D
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Re: long barrels
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2013, 12:52:03 AM »
This has got to be the longest barrel I have seen to date. It is 101" long and made by a J. Sewell. Check out the link:
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/58/lid/3286


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Re: long barrels
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2013, 01:00:29 AM »
Now you did it!  Starting working on my 102" barrel!  Anybody know where I can get the stock wood?  Hah!

Jim

P.S.  Just measured my shop, I'll have to bust a hole in the wall!

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Re: long barrels
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2013, 02:54:38 AM »
This has got to be the longest barrel I have seen to date. It is 101" long and made by a J. Sewell. Check out the link:
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/58/lid/3286




Kind of a funky lock on that one. Later replacement?
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Re: long barrels
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2013, 06:00:33 PM »
This has got to be the longest barrel I have seen to date. It is 101" long and made by a J. Sewell. Check out the link:
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/58/lid/3286




Kind of a funky lock on that one. Later replacement?
Looks Blacksmith made, as is the trigger and guard. Funky inked on stripes eh? I'd say that gun was intended as a fowling piece rather than a rifle.
 Just think how tall the owner must have been....12' at least! ;D
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Re: long barrels
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2013, 06:25:16 PM »
And I thought my 72" barrel, 7'4" overall was a little bit unwieldy!!
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