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Offline Tom Currie

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Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« on: April 04, 2013, 12:19:39 AM »
Several years ago someone posted some pics of a sort Allemengal or Jaocb George ish very folksy rifle. It was almost black in color and was really quite different. I usually save all posted pics for reference but apparently did not with this gun. I would appreciate if anyone has pics they would share.

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Re: Anybody remember this folksy black rifle ?
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Offline Tom Currie

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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 12:34:04 AM »
Well that Benson's pretty cool but not the one I was thinking of. Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 01:11:53 AM »
Are you thinking of the Ottho rifle that Eric Kettenburg posted a few years back?  It was quite dark and had a lot of bizarre features on it. 



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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 02:09:39 AM »
Eric. That's it. Thanks for replying, I remember it was sort of non standard and didn't conform to PA schools as we usually know them.

Nice to see you back amongst us.

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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2013, 03:14:11 AM »
I liked it too, and tried to buy it back then ..... But in the end, was the first loser,,,   :'(

John
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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 03:42:09 AM »
I wonder what happened to it? I thought it would have re-surfaced at a KRA Show by now, but it seems to have  fallen into a black hole.

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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 04:27:19 AM »
Good question Frank.
I know that no gold didn't buy it, so it didn't fall into that black hole!  ;D

John
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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 05:04:29 AM »
Tom, I'd be happy to forward the rest of those photos along to you if you'd like - is the email in your profile good?  Now that school is complete and relatively fulltime work seems to be finding its way into my life, I've got time for flintlocks once again.  Planning a move out to Washington state, bringing all my tools with me.  
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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2013, 02:18:19 PM »
Eric, Thanks for offering the other pics. I would appreciate having them. The email address in my profile is accurate.

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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2013, 05:48:46 PM »
This rifle is a poster child for what not to do in stock design from the shooters standpoint.

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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2013, 11:12:20 PM »
This rifle is a poster child for what not to do in stock design from the shooters standpoint.

Dan

What's the matter, don't like eating your cheekpiece as the gun recoils?  :P
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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2013, 12:14:34 AM »
    Any chance that you could post all of the photographs here? I'm certain that folks would be grateful. Thanks.
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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2013, 03:04:30 AM »
I'm not sure what the "politics" are for posting photos of a rifle once it's been sold to someone else - if the moderators or owner need to then feel free to delete these pics. 





































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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2013, 05:02:41 AM »
I LOVE the decoration.
But the pitch and the comb "leave something to be desired....

Dan
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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2013, 05:28:05 AM »
When I first saw that rifle, I thought it might be one of EK's creations.

And now that I see it again, wonder just what the heck. Some little nagging something keeps whispering.......

John
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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2013, 05:28:41 PM »
  Eric,
            Thanks for posting the rest of the photographs. This is a very cool longrifle! As an aside, the only rifle I have ever fired that bit me did have a similar comb-line, but I think the real problem was the pull being way too short for me. No matter how i cuddled up to it, it would catch me on the cheek bone everytime.
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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2013, 05:43:51 PM »
The inletting looks like it was done with stone tools. How can you inlet so poorly and carve so nicely? I like the overall look of this gun. I hate cookie cutter guns.

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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2013, 06:43:53 PM »
This looks like the same gun Eric K wrote about in Muzzle Blasts 2006. Regarding inletting, most original Kentuckies do not exhibit fine inletting or fine finish on non-showing surfaces. They did not know about future British practices. EK did research on Johannes Otto and found he was a deserter from the Hessian ranks in the Revolutionary War. So a German trained gunsmith working in a folksy style. Having been to Hesse it is beautiful farming country with hills valleys and streams and eastern Pennsylvania must have felt much like home.
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Re: Anybody remember a very folksy black rifle ?
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2013, 12:54:16 AM »
Here is a link to the article; I was not able to come up with any additional info beyond what was published in 2006:

http://s573.photobucket.com/user/moldyoak/library/Johannes%20Ottho?page=1

Unfortunately, the new Photobucket setup will not let me organize the pages in order as yet, so you'll have to click on them individually.  I labeled them 'Page 1' etc. etc.

I'm tickled some think it's a fake, but I assure all it is not.  I had it at KRA @ 2005 or 2006, and the general opinion was that it was the real deal albeit heavily worked over during the course of it's life.  I know where the piece came from, and there was certainly no deceptiveness there, and while it is a VERY funky piece, it definitely had a great deal of real age on it, so there is no question (none) in my mind that it was exactly as represented.  This is one of the few heavily modified rifles that I was actually happy to see left alone, as it was extremely interesting to view the "story" of the transformation from rifle to bird gun.

I would not have wanted to shoot it, although it shouldered well.  I would be sporting quite the bruise.

I am also quite surprised that it has not been shown anywhere, or "restored," or whatever, as the buyer was quite a prominent collector.

BTW, Muzzle Blasts only holds the copyright for one year, after which it reverts back to the author, so nobody need worry about copyright infringement.

I should add that a few folks in Carlisle were of the opinion that it might be an Angstadt with a long-ago replaced barrel.  I could go either way on that one, but it sure fit the channel pretty darned well.
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