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Offline redheart

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Crowns again!
« on: April 26, 2013, 07:14:22 PM »
Hey Guys!
I really need your help this time.
In photos of original Leman rifle muzzles the rifling appears extremely deep.
Is it truly this deep, or is the effect of hand filing to make loading easier?
If it is hand filing is it done over the grooves or over the lands?
It seems to make more sense for it to be done over the lands to truly make loading easier.
I need this info to make a Leman build as correct as possible and am trying to make it more historical than hysterical in appearance. ???
« Last Edit: April 26, 2013, 07:16:43 PM by redheart »

pbigham

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Re: Crowns again!
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2013, 02:05:42 AM »
  File over lands as you stated.

Offline JCKelly

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Re: Crowns again!
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2013, 03:24:16 AM »
I think the grooves are deeper as well. Not unique to Leman.
Betcha Don Getz has an opinion.

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Re: Crowns again!
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2013, 06:32:08 AM »
I just talked with Doc Gary White (owned the old Green River Rifle Works) about this treatment of the Jim Bridger Hawken.  He said he has seen hundreds of original rifles of many different schools of building with this muzzle treatment.  The Kit Carson rifle is done this way, too.  Doc said the GROOVES are deepened by filing a taper back about 3/4" into the bore, then the lands are filed down even deeper at the muzzle to give that kind of gear look.  This accomplishes muzzle coning such that a short starter is not needed.  I am considering doing this to my Bridger Hawken I just built, but will shoot it as is for a while.  To do this, I would make a tapered cone with abrasive paper held on it, perhaps with glue, to cut a 3/4" long cone to just below the grooves at the muzzle.  This would give a concentric end to this cone, important for accuracy.  Then I would file the lands deeper at the muzzle with a needle file to give that "gear" effect.
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Offline redheart

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Re: Crowns again!
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2013, 08:11:24 AM »
  :) Friend Herb,

This is exactly what I needed to find out!
Thanks for coming through for me again!
« Last Edit: April 27, 2013, 08:12:10 AM by redheart »

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Re: Crowns again!
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2013, 04:26:02 PM »
+1 on Herb's answer.
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Offline redheart

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Re: Crowns again!
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2013, 12:31:19 AM »
Hey Guys,

It sounds like Herb has a pretty good answer but any of you that have original Leman's, I'd love it if you'd take them out of the closet and give me a report in case you feel they're crowned differently.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2013, 12:33:04 AM by redheart »