New Pouch & Horn

[Mark Elliott]

I just finished a new pouch and horn for a Virginian headed south to the Texas fight for independence.   It is supposed to be a late flint pouch from the central Valley of VA.   The pouch is based on an example from Rockingham Co, VA as documented in Madison Grant's book.  The horn is just my standard VA banded screw-tip.     I actually made two of the horns for my customer.   I don't know if I will bother photographing the other one.   They are almost identical.   I will probably be taking more photos of the bag.   This was actually a part of a lighting test,  but I thought I would throw the picture up here for criticism.   The pouch is a gusseted and welted bag with an internal hanging pocket.   It is not lined.   The straps go through the connecting panel between the back and the front and are stitched inside the pouch.

[gizamo]

Bag is well done...like it alot.

Love the horn! 

Giz

[Artificer]

Mark,

VERY NICE pouch and horn, indeed.  I like the way you placed the powder horn straps below the strap adjustment buckle, so the horn would hang correctly no matter how the strap is adjusted. 

I must admit I'm not exactly sure what you meant by this statement: "The straps go through the connecting panel between the back and the front and are stitched inside the pouch."  Is that a "late flint bag" detail? 

Your mention of the bag to be used in the fight for Texas Independence brought back a treasured memory.  I finally got a chance to visit the Alamo in the early years of this century.  They had modern flags on display inside the Alamo of every State or National Flag of the Defenders of the Alamo.  Since they are not original/historic flags, they are displayed along the interior walls in the open in a large room at the front of the Mission.   Being a hopeless romantic, I kissed the flags of Virginia and Scotland and softly uttered the words, "We have not forgotten and may we never do so." 
Gus

[Tim Crosby]

 Good looking set Mark. Does the horn have a collar on it that the tip screws into? Also what holds the strap at the base? Great horn.

   Tim C.

[Mark Elliott]

Tim,

There is a male thread on the end of the horn onto which the tip screws.   I turn the collar for the thread on the lathe and then cut the thread with a die and a special alignment jig.   I probably should report for the benefit of others that I turned, or attempted to turn, five tips for two horns.   In one case, I had a section of tip so large, I could get two tips out of it and tried to do that by cutting it in half, lengthwise.   I learned my lesson.   The horn will de-laminate along the growth rings (if that is what you call it with horn) if you do that.    In other words, the horn blanks shredded when I tried to turn them.    A third tip cracked in the dye bath.   

 A staple holds the strap onto the base plug. 

I will take more photos when I finish playing with the lighting.    I have also contemplated shooting a 360 degree virtual reality view just for grins and giggles.

[TradT]

Just a really nice looking set there! Congratulations.

[Mark Elliott]

I re-photographed the bag and horn and created a simple object virtual reality (VR) movie of it.   Go to the bottom of this page to view the movie;http://www.markelliottphotography.com/wordpress/portfolio/virtual-reality/.   You can spin the outfit about by dragging your cursor horizontally and zoom in and out by using your mouse wheel (or by dragging vertically with two fingers for Apple users).    Let me know how you like both the pouch and horn and the object VR.    I have decided I will offer an object VR like this one for $149.    

I am also going to try to run the Flash video directly from this post using the link below.  We shall see how it works.

[Tim Crosby]

 WOW! Mark That is really neat and a Great way to show work over the net.
 You should copy this and put it in Member Services.

   Tim C.

[Mark Elliott]

Tim,

The one row VR is easy to shoot.  Actually a multi-row VR, around the same axis,  of a longrifle wouldn't be too hard either.    It would just take four or five times longer to shoot.  Unfortunately, to go to the next level and rotate around the object along a second axis would cost a LOT of money.    I would need to build something about 40 feet high to shoot a longrifle along two axis'.

[Artificer]

WOW, that is amazing to an old guy like me who started out with a pocket protector and slide rule to due calculations for Physics and Calc/Trig classes in High School and the first computer I used was telephone line linked to the University Of Iowa on time share!!

For Windows 8 in the first link, the pouch and horn can be turned by holding down the left button on the mouse and moving it to the left or right.  The pouch and horn can be enlarged by rolling the wheel on the mouse toward you to enlarge the image and away from you to bring it back down to size.  I found I could not "turn" the image unless the image was back to normal size.  Maybe this will help some other folks view it.

Gus

[Mark Elliott]

Gus,

That was the level of technology when I was in High School.    Scientific calculators were just starting to become available.    So,  either I am as old as you or you are as young as me.      However,  I spent 23 years in IT as a systems engineer and photography is very high tech these days.    A have heard of a number of folks like me that  have gone from IT or Engineering to Photography.     It helps to have a technical background.   

[Artificer]

Mark,

I've seen your picture on your website, I think.  You obviously found the formula for the fountain of youth, considering how you started out with that level of technology.  GOOD for you!!

Gus

[Mark Elliott]

I did go to school in a backward county.    Other area school systems where more advanced.   Also,  I had a Trig and Physics teacher who started out as a working mathematician at NASA and felt that we all needed to learn how to use a slide rule.   

[Mark Elliott]

I created another object VR video of the second horn I made for this client.

Because of its length and the distance at which I shot it, the closest and farthest parts of the horn are not in perfect focus.   I can fix that using a technique called focus stacking, but it means a good bit more work.   Let me know if you think I need to go to that trouble.    You may notice a double line on the band.   That is where the band slipped off the mandrel while turning.   I figured an 18th or 19th horner would have used the band anyway, so I did too.  

[Tim Crosby]

 What a great way to show horns.

     Tim C.

[skillman]

I can't seem to get the image to enlarge but it sure solves the problem of posting different angles.

Steve

[Mark Elliott]

Tim,

I take it you didn't see anything wrong with the photography, but weren't that impressed with the horn.     It is a lot of trouble for such a plain horn.   A single photograph would have surficed .   However.   the object VR is probably worth the trouble for a really nice pouch or horn.   

[Brian]

That is a very neat way to show an object of any sort - for sure.

[Tim Crosby]

Tim,

I take it you didn't see anything wrong with the photography, but weren't that impressed with the horn.     It is a lot of trouble for such a plain horn.   A single photograph would have surficed .   However.   the object VR is probably worth the trouble for a really nice pouch or horn.   

  In my original post I commented on the set and asked a couple questions and added, Great horn. After that I got sidetracked with you photography methods. Horns can look good by themselves as can bags but when you have a matched set they complement each other, as yours does.

  Tim C.

[Marcruger]

Ancient art and modern art existing together.  Well done!