.410 double barrel shotgun? What do we have here?

[frontier gander]

[JoeG]

 It looks like the ones that were imported and sold by Dixie Gun Works and Inter-Arms along with a few other places in the 1970s.

[Habu]

That's my guess as well. 

[Dan'l 1946]

That was my first thought, too.
                               Dan

[frontier gander]

LIEGEOISE D. ARMES - made in belgium is marked on the barrel.

[JoeG]

I recall that these were advertised as made for sale to South America

[Vomitus]

   Go buy it for me!

[Hungry Horse]

They were designed for the South American market. The shop term for them was monkey guns. But, they were actually the last of the percussion trade guns. Dixie imported them to the U.S. but other companies had been selling them in South America for almost a hundred years before that. I have a twenty gauge version, and a friend has a 14 gauge that is identical to mine. Mine is made in Spain, but the 14 gauge is made in Belgium, so I think this is a standardized pattern that was made in several different countries to a specific design just like the old trade muskets.

                      Hungry Horse

[J Henry]

 What was/is the cost to take it home??

[frontier gander]

havent a clue, trying to figure out a value but can not find anything on it.

[T*O*F]

trying to figure out a value but can not find anything on it.

$250 - $350

[J Henry]

 TOF you got one for sale???

[T*O*F]

TOF you got one for sale

I did, but it's long gone.

[Dphariss]

Looks like something for the African Native Trade,  SA or maybe India that was then stamped "made in Belgium" in English and shipped to America in the 1960s for ML shooters. By the 1970s Belgium had been largely replaced by Italy, Spain, the US to some extent and Japan for low end MLs.
Shame they did not breech it properly but its cheaper I guess to make a round patent breech and screw a nipple in the top of it.
This design is a hazard to anyone that shoots it.
There was a good reason why back in the day patent breeches were made like this and knowledgeable/experienced shooters understood it.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/494/1/AAN-059

I would post the photo of the lock breech but its surely copyrighted.


Dan

[Dphariss]

In closer examination I don't think is has patent breeches at all just breechplugs with the nipple screwed into the top of the barrel with probably a cup in the breech face or a very short plug.

Dan

[mulefour]

I have the same 410 with 24" barrels, another club member has 1  with about 30" barrels. I have been loading  with 40 or 50 gr BP or 777 1 over powder card, 1/2 of a wet cushion wad, equal volume of #8 shot and 1 over shot card. Last time I tried the clays at our club I broke 8 out of 10, my best with it. Our other club member is hard to beat with his.

[Feltwad]

The early ones were Belgian made by a Centurae  ,they had no fitted breech plugs just a plug screwed into the end of the barrel fitted with a hook .The nipple were taped straight from the top of the barrel into a V cut in the plug .This was their down fall the nipple threads which were 1/4 UNF when taped into larger thread of the plug which  left a gas leak which in time burnt away the threads of nipple and became very dangerous .I altered mine in the late 1960s and fitted a proper breech plug .To be honest they were a load of junk.
Feltwad

[TradT]

Not a lot of experience with shot guns but, I think I'd look elsewhere if I was in the market for one. Something about the looks of that one doesn't set well with me.