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Offline JTR

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Re: HC, info for the record.
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2014, 06:18:40 PM »
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=6321.0

I owned this Henry Spitzer rifle at one time. It's in original flint condition, and has a steel bushing in the touch hole. As I remember, the bushing was about 1/8" in diameter, maybe a bit larger, and looked like it was screwed into the original hole. And no, this wasn't signs of a percussion drum as the size was way too small.

I should have kept that gun!  :'(

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Re: HC, info for the record.
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2014, 06:22:19 PM »
A touch hole from an American rifle, estimated 1770-80. The hole shows very little wear. If I had access to this now, I'd see if it was coned on the inside. There appears to be no liner, no bushing.




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Re: HC, info for the record.
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2014, 09:35:37 PM »
 There are three and possible four rifles in RCA that show either a liner or a bushing.
 Most of the photos don't show the touch hole.
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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2014, 09:52:14 PM »
I wish there was more documentation on this subject.

BTW, my inclusion of an unlined touchhole is but one example. It does not speak for the whole.
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Re: HC, info for the record.
« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2014, 06:00:08 AM »
The idea behind all those American rifles with the staples under the cheek - a good number w/ a feather quill there, old or newer - is that this was shoved in the vent prior to loading to keep it open, then withdrawn and pan primed.  Functional, effective, works well with a fairly large honkin' straight drilled vent.

Nevertheless, an internal cone, regardless of how executed (liner or internal coning tool) is very definitely faster in daily practice.

I do think large brass, nickel, or whatever, liners look hideous on American guns, however.  But, plain steel can be blended-in quite well.
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Re: HC, info for the record.
« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2014, 11:31:53 PM »
Does iron erode less than steel? It corrodes less.

My experience--both shooting originals and some experiments with wrought iron touch hole lines on a Bess--has been that straight touch holes in iron do erode/enlarge more rapidly than they would in similar barrels made of modern steels.