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Offline Curtis

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The Revanant Rifle
« on: December 24, 2015, 11:32:39 PM »
Has anyone besides me who gets Muzzlelaoder Magazine noticed that the rifle for DiCaprio's character was built by one of our own members here, Lucky  R A (Ron Luckenbill)?  There was just one closeup photo in the magazine, but it looks like he did an awesome job with the Bucks County rifle!!

Great work, Ron!

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2015, 11:52:04 PM »
Go to over the fence and look at the revenant thread he posted some info on it

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2015, 11:58:37 PM »
Oops, and thanks for the info Joe, I'll head over there and look now.

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2015, 08:30:36 PM »
OK, I give up, where is "over the fence"?

Can you provide a link or directions?

Thanks!

I hope the movie lives up to the hype.

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2015, 10:22:26 PM »
"Over the (Back) Fence" is the general discussion forum just a little bit further down in the forum list...

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?board=16.0
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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2015, 11:04:00 PM »
For any who are interested, my web site www.ReCreatingHistory.com has been updated with photos of the Revenant rifle.  Thanks for your interest.

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2016, 02:22:32 AM »
Hi Ron,
What a nice website!  I always enjoy seeing your work.  You, "Sippy", Kibler, Taylor, Ed W., Acer,  and Eric VonA keep me inspired and trying to do better.

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2016, 04:44:49 AM »
Ron,

Very nice rifle!  Why did they request a bucks County rifle.  What the historical basis?  I know the movie is loosely based on real events.  How a eastern rifle make it way out west.  Or did someone just decide well that style is real pretty, let's go with it.

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2016, 06:07:58 AM »
Ron,

Very nice rifle!  Why did they request a bucks County rifle.  What the historical basis?  I know the movie is loosely based on real events.  How a eastern rifle make it way out west.  Or did someone just decide well that style is real pretty, let's go with it.

AsMs

Good question and welcome to ALR. Pretty much all the rifles used in the mountains during the era of the film were flintlocks, the cap lock was just being introduced in the states. A Buck's county style would not be out of place. Hugh Glass was born in 1780 in Pennsylvania, he arrived in St. Louis in 1821 likely armed with a Buck's county style flintlock longrifle. The grizzly attack occurred in 1823.

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2016, 06:49:16 PM »
I was not expecting a cap lock, a flintlock is the appropriate lock for that time period.  I question the age of the flintlock they chose.  Aso Ron mentioned on the contemporary makers blog, they were looking for a later period bucks rifle.  But the prop master seems to have waited to long and was in a rush, and it would have taken too long to make both rifles before they needed them.  Their first choice would have been spot on. 

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2016, 02:09:01 AM »
AsMs,
        I will try to answer your questions.  First the author of the Revenant book, Michael Punke, decided his Hugh Glass character was armed with an  Angstadt rifle.  The rifle was silver mounted and was marked on the top flat Angstadt, Kutztown, PA. (Berks, Co.) 
         When  I was contacted by the first prop manager they were looking for an Angstadt rifle, and I had one on my web site.  Unfortunately, that gun had been sold earlier.   A few weeks later, I was re-contacted by a different prop manager; this was mid July.  The movie was set to begin filming late August.  We discussed the possibility of me constructing two matching Angstadt rifles and have them in British Columbia within a month.  I felt that I could get it done, but the Prop manager did not want to chance it.  He then looked over the other rifles that I had available and decided on the Bucks Co. rifle.  I then copied all the carving patterns and constructed a second rifle the same as the first.  The rifles were delivered ahead of schedule.  During the course of our conversations I mentioned that Jim Bridger was reported to have carried a Shuler rifle (Bucks Co.)  I think this may have helped in the decision to go with the classic Bucks Co design.
      As to the time period of the two rifles, either the Angstadt or the Bucks Co. gun would be of the 1800-1820 period, and either would be appropriate for some of the initial forays into the Rockies.   
      In Rosenberger and Kaufmann's book, Longrifles of Western Pennsylvania, they mention that gunsmith Henry Wolf, who is first  recorded in Pittsburgh in 1787,  advertised for a runaway apprentice, Hugh Cook Glass, who left in 1795.  Glass was reported to have taken a "common rifle" with him.   Wolf is believed to have come from Virginia, and on the two known rifles by him the patchbox ends in a four petal flower as used in Virginia.  His work shows other Virginia characteristics as well.   
       As far as I can tell there is no definitive evidence as to the exact style rifle that Glass was carrying when he was mauled by the bear.  Eastern longrifles of all varieties were carried in the western expansion, some better suited to the task than others.   I suppose theories and opinions will abound; right or wrong, this is how this gun was chosen for this task.

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2016, 05:25:23 AM »
Ron,

Thanks for the answer.  Your Angstadt rifle is what I would expect to see in the Rockies in that time period.  It a shame the prop master waited so long to contact you and did not have the faith that you could deliver.  Delivering ahead of schedule proved him wrong, they could have had what they wanted.

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2016, 07:49:48 PM »
Regardless, nice rifle and congrats on being chosen to provide it for the film!

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2016, 08:51:36 PM »
AsMs,
       Sometimes in life we have to play the hand we are dealt.  The Prop Manager, was an extremely nice guy, who was brought on board late in the game.  The previous Prop Manager had contacted others to possibly supply the gun they was looking for, but the time schedule was very tight, and it didn't work.  The prop manager who saw the project through probably helped save the entire project, and we have what we have.   
        As I stated before there no reason to select one gun over another, other than the writer selected an Angstadt, and only he knows the exact reason for that choice.   
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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2016, 05:45:26 AM »
Thanks for posting all the info, Ron!

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2016, 05:15:57 AM »
  As a side note, ok, I`m curious, wonder where the Rifles will end up ?? Hopefully not in a Closet on some Movie stuff Storage Bin !! Nice going Ron, they sure did pick the right Gunmaker...

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2016, 08:19:17 AM »
Quality or custom arms made for movies generally wind up with one of two prop houses in CA.  I have talked to the owners, who understand what they have, value and care for them, and make rent them for additional movies in the future.  A pleasant surprise.  Occasionally a rifle or pistol will be given to an actor, or landowner where movie was filmed, etc. - if very interested.  And the prop houses have loaned some of theses arms to the NRA museum for exhibit.  Ron's/Hugh's rifle(s) should live on . . .

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2016, 08:07:16 PM »
Someone needs to correct the people over at the Internet Movie Firearms Database and get Ron credit for the gun there. They are calling it a Hawken's rifle and picture a half-stock gun. I requested an account from them, so I will make the edits if it allows me to once I get approved. If anyone else happens to have an account with them please beat me to it.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Revenant,_The_%282015%29

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2016, 06:54:54 PM »
I never received any contact about getting an account approved, but someone else has since updated the page with accurate information. They even included the bit about Ron saying he'd rather cut the arm of one of his kids than cut down the rifle. However, the picture is still of a different rifle, and the trade guns are still listed as Brown Bess carbines despite the tell tale serpent side plates.
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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2016, 03:13:32 AM »
I'm sorry they cut your fine looking rifle down Ron. It didn't add a thing to the story .

I too, cringed when I saw the Dragon sideplates on the brown bess carbines as rebranded trade guns .

In the article in Muzzleloader in mentioned the gun prop guy was not well versed in flintlock muzzleloaders and that he got some on the job training on the spot .It shows .That he came in late explains a lot to me .I had forgotten that bit .

The continuity of the firearms sequences ,guns at half cock ,multi shot pistols without any possibles bag to even reload from drove me nuts .Hugh Glass not keeping his rifle primed....even the youngest then was not fresh off the boat in regards to firearms .
All of these guys lives depended on running their rifles in hostile territory .The old ones would have taught the young ones over the months of travel it took to get to the mountains. Shoot an Elk reload immediately .Everyone who hunts does that even now .
 
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Thank you for the advice and I mean that very sincerely.Now I can get over it .
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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2016, 05:05:39 AM »
I agree with the indigestion over the unloaded rifle after shooting the elk, but Meriwether Lewis (no wilderness slouch) did the same thing on June 14, 1805 at the Great Falls of the Missouri, so Glass’s movie error puts him in good company. Lewis shot a buffalo and was watching in fascination as it died slowly. When he discovered the grizzly bear sneaking up on him just 20 feet away, he found out his presented gun was not loaded!
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2016, 05:12:09 PM »
Article just popped up on The American Rifleman (NRA) website that talks about the weapons in the film including Ron's rifle:
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/1/11/the-revenant-hugh-glass-and-his-rifle/

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Re: The Revanant Rifle
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2016, 06:09:18 PM »
Thanks, Ramble, for the link to that great article!

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