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Offline Nordnecker

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What Did They Use To Draw Details On Their Socks?
« on: December 21, 2016, 03:05:37 PM »
To draw details on their stocks? We have pencils and erasers. What did the early gunsmiths use to draw carving details on the wood? I know they had scribes and ink. Really. How would someone like John Armstrong have drawn his carving design?
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Re: What did they use?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2016, 03:17:54 PM »
Hi,
They probably used graphite pencils manufactured in England and Germany since the early 17th century.  Pencils were also manufactured in America during most of the 19th century.

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Re: What did they use?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2016, 06:05:28 PM »
a sharpened lead wire/pencil? 

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Re: What did they use?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2016, 06:21:30 PM »
Looking at your question got me to thinking. I wonder how much drawing they even did, if at all. Maybe some rough outlines but I doubt more than that. I have a friend that is a professional wood carver (not on guns). He does very little or no drawing or sketching before he starts, but he is highly trained, and has an artists eye that I envy. He works quickly roughing out the outlines and design, then spends more time on the details as he refines and finishes the carving. Remember, the old time gunsmiths were professionals too. Time was money and they had been trained far more than most, if not all of us. Plus, many of them used similar designs on most of their guns, they would have had the basic design well fixed in their minds before they even started carving. However, like Dave says, they did have pencils, chalk and even charcoal could have been used also.
I am not trying to say they never did draw their designs, I don't know, but I think sometimes we bring our modern concepts of how things should proceed. We tend to forget that in those days, this was something they did day in and day out and had spent years in training to learn. It was work, not necessarily something they did for enjoyment. Also, today many of us are trying to closely copy a specific design or maker which would not have been a factor in those days. I doubt that Armstrong, Rupp or Dickert, were very concerned if their carving did not end up exactly as they planned it initially.
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Re: What did they use?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2016, 06:54:32 PM »
  There seems to be a very common misconception of how things were in colonial America and the rest of the world in the 1700's.
  It wasn't the stone age.  from Google see below.
Pencil History: The Earliest Forms of Self Expression

Did you know that modern pencils owe it all to an ancient Roman writing instrument called a stylus? Scribes used this thin metal rod to leave a light, but readable mark on papyrus (an early form of paper). Other early styluses were made of lead, which is what we still call pencil cores, even though they actually are made of non-toxic graphite. But pencil history doesn’t stop there…

Graphite came into widespread use following the discovery of a large graphite deposit in Borrowdale, England in 1564. Appreciated for leaving a darker mark than lead, the mineral proved so soft and brittle that it required a holder. Originally, graphite sticks were wrapped in string. Later, the graphite was inserted into hollowed-out wooden sticks and, thus, the wood-cased pencil was born!

Nuremberg, Germany was the birthplace of the first mass-produced pencils in 1662. Spurred by Faber-Castell (established in 1761), Lyra, Steadtler and other companies, an active pencil industry developed throughout the 19th
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Re: What Did They Use To Draw Details On Their Socks?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2016, 11:10:11 PM »
An experienced smith with a metal carving pattern could use a sharp scribe or pencil to do a rough outline or hole pattern for reference and go from there.  A good builder could rough in the base pattern and do variations.  The Tansels are said to have done that on their horns.  I've been told that early modern builder Royland Southgate also had brass carving patterns/outlines he used.
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Re: What Did They Use To Draw Details On Their Socks?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2016, 12:41:55 AM »
Pencils were certainly available, but scribes, dividers, and marking knives were and are traditional layout tools.   I use all of those.   If you are doing precision work, you can't beat some sort of scribe or knife.   The only problem with a scribe line for me, is seeing it.   The light has to be just right.


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Re: What Did They Use To Draw Details On Their Socks?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2016, 05:03:28 AM »
I have found that drawing on socks is difficult.
Tickles my feet.
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Re: What Did They Use To Draw Details On Their Socks?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2016, 05:20:34 AM »
Hi,


Even Ben Franklin sold them.

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Re: What Did They Use To Draw Details On Their Socks?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2016, 02:27:25 PM »
Interesting..... I had no idea pencils had been around that long. I mean, you never see a painting of the founding fathers using a pencil. And I really got a chuckle out of Chowmi's comment. Actually, in the subject box of my initial post, I didn't even write the last 6 words that are there now. I don't know where they came from.
Anyhow, I was looking in the library and checked out the J. Armstrong rifle with it's bold carving and this question popped into my head. I haven't done much carving. I don't really even comprehend what I see in pictures of carving on original guns.
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Re: What Did They Use To Draw Details On Their Socks?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2016, 02:36:23 PM »
Hi,
The early pencils were oval or sort of flattened much like today's carpenter pencils.  Writing and drawings that needed to be permanent (government business, day books, order books, ledgers, etc) were certainly done with quill and ink.

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