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Offline bama

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Early Hawken nosecaps
« on: October 19, 2016, 05:13:48 PM »
I am building an early Hawken and was wondering if they were attached with a screw through the barrel channel or were they pinned. I don't think I have ever seen one pinned but I don't have a heavy Hawken background so if some of you that are really into Hawkens please let me know.

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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2016, 07:20:03 PM »


I do not know how authentic it is, but I use copper rivets that I make from copper leather rivets.  These rivets have a very shallow countersink taper which is beneficial since there is so little wood in the forend tip.  I made my sheet steel cap out of pretty thin stock too, so there isn't much there to hold screw threads.  The rivets get squared up to ease inletting and to better suit the bottom flat of the barrel channel.  This system holds the cap very securely and is pretty much fool proof.
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Offline rsells

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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2016, 07:23:41 PM »
I use a screw to secure the nose caps on the ones I build.  I think all the reference photographs I have gathered over the years were attached with screws.
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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2016, 02:16:21 AM »
Bama, I have a Hawken built by Ted Jennings of the Hawken Armory out of Hot Springs, Arkansas. The 54 caliber rifle was made around 1982. It was sold to me as an authentic copy of the Hawken. The nose cap is screwed on with a flat head screw going through the stock wood and threaded into the nose cap. It saw heavy use the first 6-8 years I owned it with little use since that time. The nose cap has never shown any signs of working loose.

The stock profile, including fore arm, butt plate, butt stock, wrist etc., looks nearly exactly like the guns pictured in James D Baird's book "Hawken Rifles The Mountain Man's Choice. Whether the nose cap attachment method is authentic I cannot say with certainty, but it was represented as an accurate copy.

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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2016, 02:52:33 AM »
I currently have it screwed on but I was wondering if the early Hawken rifle's had the nose cap pined. I may go back and put a rivit in it but I can't see where it would be any better than the screw. Thanks for the input.
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Offline Don Stith

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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2016, 11:38:44 PM »
Maybe someday we will figure out what an early Hawken is.  In the meantime, the ones I am familiar with that have nose caps attached with screws are late Hawkens. The Smithsonian and School of the Ozarks  full stock rifles even have the thimbles attached with screws from inside the barrel channel

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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2016, 11:51:03 PM »
Don, have you ever seen a nose cap on a full stocked Hawken rifle attached with rivets?
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Offline Don Stith

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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2016, 12:16:14 AM »
Yes I have

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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2016, 02:51:29 AM »
Thanks Don.  It didn't make sense to me that Jake especially and later Sam, would not have employed a standard fixation method.
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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2016, 03:32:49 AM »
What size and thread (modern equivalent) are those Hawken end cap screws?

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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2016, 06:29:08 AM »
I'd use #8 x 40 tpi. to get as much thread purchase as I could.
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Re: Early Hawken nosecaps
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2016, 05:19:06 PM »
I'd use #8 x 40 tpi. to get as much thread purchase as I could.

Thank you Taylor.

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