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Offline Seth Isaacson

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Longest Fowler
« on: November 14, 2016, 09:02:28 PM »
What is the longest piece you've seen?

I just finished looking at an early 18th century Dutch gun with a 111 inch long barrel, a 78 caliber smooth bore, 126 inch overall length, and slightly ornate furniture without engraving. At first glance I assumed it was going to be a wall gun; however; it's bore is fairly small for that purpose, and it has no evidence of a hook or swivel for firing from a wall. The other wall guns I've seen have also had plain military style side plates. Obviously this beast couldn't have been fired off-hand. I can't get pictures of it, but the lock is signed by Filippe de Selier of Liege (active around the 1690s-1720).
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2016, 10:30:17 PM »
I saw a flint fowler, Berks County, with an 78 inch barrel that went from Oct to round to Oct.  Nothing like what you
are describing.
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2016, 10:53:01 PM »
78 inches still seems excessive. That barrel shape combination must have been cumbersome to make. This gun's barrel is in the typical round musket style.
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2016, 11:10:28 PM »
Only pictures I can find of it.

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« Last Edit: November 14, 2016, 11:12:02 PM by Shreckmeister »
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2016, 05:19:33 PM »
 This was posted by "Feltwad" in another Thread by mistake. TC

Enclosed is a image of a 2 bore flintlock Bank Gun used in the sand dunes or on the see wall to shoot waders and fowl along the shoreline on the incoming tide.
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2016, 06:22:16 PM »
That is a hefty looking and attractive gun. Dog lock?
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2016, 08:01:40 PM »
Quote from: The Rambling Historian on November 17, 2016, 06:22:16 PM
That is a hefty looking and attractive gun. Dog lock?
Looks like it, but I don't believe it's an early gun, although I may be wrong....
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2016, 08:15:14 PM »
Quote from: Mike Brooks on November 17, 2016, 08:01:40 PM
Quote from: The Rambling Historian on November 17, 2016, 06:22:16 PM
That is a hefty looking and attractive gun. Dog lock?
Looks like it, but I don't believe it's an early gun, although I may be wrong....

I think its one he restored back to brand new condition..
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2016, 08:25:17 PM »
Quote from: JTR on November 17, 2016, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Mike Brooks on November 17, 2016, 08:01:40 PM
Quote from: The Rambling Historian on November 17, 2016, 06:22:16 PM
That is a hefty looking and attractive gun. Dog lock?
Looks like it, but I don't believe it's an early gun, although I may be wrong....

I think its one he restored back to brand new condition..
John
This Bank gun is by Henry Blyth 1710-1750 Restored in the 1970,s  restocked and  taken from the original stock which was to far gone with woodworm a new cock and frizzen fitted
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2016, 03:51:28 AM »
I have a 72" barreled full stock fowler in 20 bore. Overall length is 7'4" and weight is at 11#. Have a shooting stick because it is awkward but have shot it offhand.
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2016, 05:09:51 PM »
Do you find that the extra long barrel actually helps your patterns and hunting much? It seems to me for most purposes the length would be less practical and manageable.
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2016, 09:08:11 PM »
A barrel that is 12" longer than another barrel will make your pattern tighter 12" further out than the shorter one.
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2016, 10:45:56 PM »
Quote from: D. Taylor Sapergia on November 18, 2016, 09:08:11 PM
A barrel that is 12" longer than another barrel will make your pattern tighter 12" further out than the shorter one.

 ;D I knew that was the case with modern guns, but I didn't know if the shot with black powder also stabilized fairly quickly and is dictated primarily by the choke since the propelant does not burn nearly as fast.
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2016, 04:09:40 AM »
As for shooting, I've only fired RB out of it so can't speak to patterns. As for hunting, you've got to be a little bit nuts to try and lug a 72" barreled gun through the woods or take a passing shot at birds. Shooting sitting ducks from a punt, or canoe, might be a different story.
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Re: Longest Fowler
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2016, 12:33:32 PM »
Enclosed  is a image of two Fowlers the top one is a bank gun  the bottom one is a small punt gun
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