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Offline conquerordie

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Horn scrimshaw question
« on: January 07, 2017, 08:19:33 AM »
When you scrimshaw, do you all lay out the entire design, or just pieces. This will be my first attempt at scrimshaw. Seems easier to lay it all out at once, but it also seems like I'd be re drawing the design constantly. Thanks for your help and ideas.
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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 04:23:10 PM »
I am the furthest person from being an expert so take my opinion (I would not call it advise) for what is is worth.
When I started mine I noticed that when I put the pencil on the horn that some got rubbed off as I was working.
What I have done is to scetch a basic plan on paper and I am transferring the ideas to the horn.
I hope this helps you

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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 05:24:54 PM »
I have seen videos where people lay out their entire image and then cover the part they are not working with paper. I have also seen people use hair spray to 'seal' their image while working on it. Most of the videos I have watched, as well as photo documentation show penciling in only the parts actively being worked.

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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 06:22:47 PM »
  http://thehornersbench.proboards.com  try this site for help. Got to the "Tutorials"  I use Hair Spray to keep the drawing from being rubbed off.
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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2017, 06:38:54 PM »
Don't over polish horn. 400 grit paper and(washed) steel wool surface lightly. I usually draw on portions of the engraving at a time. cut the lines and ink. Depending on the design you choose? Horn selection is just as important.
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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2017, 07:59:41 PM »
I guess how much or how little to polish the horn depends on what you intend to do with it. If you're just doing "primitive" artwork, I'd agree with Mike that 400 to 600 grit is fine.  I polish mine up to 12000 grit before I start working on them. 

As far a laying out the image first...I use a workable fixative (you can buy it from an art store) to cover the design after I've drawn it on.  I tried hair spray but it rubbed off too easily and got too sticky simply from the warmth of my had resting on it, so I switched.  I still use the technique for smaller areas like bands around the base and throat.

Unfortunately for larger areas that require longer periods to do, drawing the design on was an exercise in futility.  Why?  Because I ink constantly while I'm working and since the etcher's ink I use is very mildly abrasive, the fixative gets rubbed off quickly and with it goes the image and then i spend way too much time redrawing the image.  Every time you have to redraw it it changes a little and it is time consuming to have to constantly stop engraving and redraw the image.  So now I use a "stencil" technique to outline the image and then simply fill in the outline. 

My advice is try a bunch of different things until you find one that works to your satisfaction and then stay with that technique and refine it until a better idea comes your way.  I'm not an expert, but I've done a little bit of "scratching" and I'm more than willing to share what I've learned.  Feel free to contact me if you want to chat. 

Good luck!

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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
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Offline conquerordie

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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2017, 10:58:37 PM »
Got some great ideas. I guess my horn would be considered primitive. I just scraped the surface smooth and started drawing. Trying to keep an 18th century mindframe on this. Just some files and a scraper. Scrimshaw with a knife. I'll show it to the forum when done. Thanks for the help.
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Offline J Henry

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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 02:33:37 AM »
 You follow what Mark and Tim said,, you can not go wrong.

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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 04:44:41 PM »
There are also artists pencils that are used to mark on ceramics, glass, etc., that don't rub off like conventional pencil lead.  These stay put much better on horn while you are handling, after drawing your design.  Might have to order them online.  They are harder to come across in stores.

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Re: Horn scrimshaw question
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2017, 07:27:20 PM »
When I first started engraving horns I would lay everything out.  I would also wait to engrave it.  Sit back and look at it for a while.  More complicated designs still call for that.  Most of the time I draw and engrave as I go.  For example, if I am doing a coat of arms I draw and engrave the center circle.  Then I draw and engrave everything around that.  I go in an fill in any details after all of the outlining is done.

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