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Offline Adrie luke

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Flintlock rifle
« on: August 03, 2017, 06:29:26 PM »
You said "keep us posted".
From steel to a swamped barrel!
I show you my first swamped barrel I have ever made.
A time ago I asked of a swamped barrel had a function.
Your answer was "balance".
I used the measures of Track and Wolff of the Isaac Haines barrel.
Now I know how it looks. I never saw one for real.






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Offline Mike Brooks

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2017, 08:34:36 PM »
You got a hole down the middle of that bar  yet?
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Offline Adrie luke

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2017, 10:41:49 PM »
Hello Mike,

I am from The Netherlands, so my English is not as good as yours, but I think I know what you mean.
First I drill the hole and when this is OK, than I make the barrel
Later I will rifling it.
I think that when you see the rifles for real you will like them





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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2017, 11:17:49 PM »
Looking good!
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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2017, 11:32:31 PM »
I love it!  Adrie, what is the caliber (diameter of the bore)?

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Offline Carl Young

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2017, 11:57:16 PM »
Hallo en welkom Adrie.

We are an inquisitive group, and like to know the details about the process and techniques. How did you drill the bore (hole), ream it smooth inside, and shape the external octagon flats? What are the dimensions (measurements) of the barrel? How do you plan to rifle it?

There are several people on this list that make barrels by hand. If you have questions, someone will probably have an answer. Sharing knowledge is what we enjoy.

Very nice looking workmanship. Thank you for sharing it with us.
-Carl
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Offline wattlebuster

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2017, 01:53:27 AM »
Looked very good to me ;D
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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2017, 01:59:54 AM »
How long is your barrel Adrie?  Nice job fabricating it.

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2017, 02:34:24 AM »
Adrie,

I Told you that you would like this site, and they obviously like you and your work.  Looking forward to seeing more of this project.

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2017, 08:08:39 AM »
Just an idea but what if you made a rifle 50 scale, if that's the correct term, I'm talking about halfway between what your making now and a full size rifle. Should make a great light rifle. Or a rare novelty at the least.
I was in the trade for 40 years, from tool & die apprentice to manufacturing aircraft structural components and I just really admire your craftsmanship. I know first hand the difficulty and the patience required for such tedious work. To me, your work just begs for a shooting rifle.
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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2017, 03:40:02 PM »
I concur,nice work and am wondering if you ever plan on building one full scale.You certainly have the talent.

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2017, 03:48:07 PM »
I have seen Adrie's work in person - Incredible craftsmanship!!!- In the Netherlands, it's basically impossible to own and shoot firearms. Thousands of dollars and years of training and club participation, just to shoot a club gun only at sanctioned events. If you want to own your rifle, you better be ready to pay dearly in $ and privacy. I have a team in Eindhoven (Software development) and we chat about this a lot.

His models are a wonderful hobby with incredible accuracy. Really looking forward to this build! -

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2017, 05:11:51 PM »
Wow,had no idea the powers that be where bat#$i% crazy with muzzleloaders as well,darn shame.

Offline Adrie luke

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2017, 06:38:01 PM »
First I want to thank everyone for the great reactions! I am very proud to hear what you have to say.
I will try to answer the questions.

Ron,
The caliber is about .22, a little less.

Carl,
Yes , you are right, that is how I drill the hole.
The length of the barrel is 17 inch.
I made a rifling bench myself. You can see it by my post "Third Flintlock" of may 5, 2017 page 7.

Dave, As you can see above the barrel is 17 inch.

David,
I saw pictures of you on the Dixon's on ALR. It gives me a good feeling! You are back.
I am proud on your reply! It means a lot to me.

Darkhorse,
The scale is about 2/5. Thanks for the compliments!

Joe S,
In the Netherlands it is not possible to build a rifle on full scale by law.
Read the comment of Kingsburyarms.

Kingsburyarms,

I am very glad you have explained the Dutch laws in English.
Nice to hear from someone who has connections with The Netherlands.
Have you seen the crossbow of David Price?


I started to make rifles on scale from pictures, but now I have a real scale, old school.
I keep you posted!!

 

Offline Mike Brooks

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2017, 06:15:50 PM »
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Joe S,
In the Netherlands it is not possible to build a rifle on full scale by law.
Read the comment of Kingsburyarms.
Well then how about one in 31/32 scale? ;)
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Offline DutchGramps

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Re: Flintlock rifle
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2017, 11:38:18 PM »
... In the Netherlands, it's basically impossible to own and shoot firearms. Thousands of dollars and years of training and club participation, just to shoot a club gun only at sanctioned events. If you want to own your rifle, you better be ready to pay dearly in $ and privacy.
Well, it IS possible to own and shoot guns in the Netherlands! But it takes time and perseverance .... Target shooting: you have to be a member in good standing for a year, and shoot with the club’s rifles and pistols. If you have followed lessons about firearms, and the club officials think you are safe with guns, they give you a recommendation for the police, and then you can buy one firearm, usually in .22 cal. You must keep a ‘passport’ where all shooting sessions are noted, and you have to attend a minimum of sessions each year. It becomes quite time-consuming, when after a couple of years you have the maximum number of firearms allowed: five that you have to shoot a certain number of times!
Since I quit shooting some 30 years ago, rules might have changed, but this is about target shooting. Collecting modern firearms is another story, even more restricted, but not impossible. Pre-1870 arms are free, but you are not allowed to shoot them unless you are a member of a shooting club.
In short: you have to be a member of the very select club of modern firearms owners “Edouard de Beaumont”, and before that, you have to pass all kinds of exams. It helped that I was one of the founding members, and my collection included  some 60 rifles, carbines and light machine guns, made especially for the Dutch army or made in the Netherlands between 1800 and 1964. They were all shooters, even the 1800 Jagerbus (Jäger) and on the other end the 1964 AR10 full automatic rifle made at the ‘Artillerie Inrichtingen “ (arsenal) at Zaandam.
Some 20 years ago I realized the my collection had become a burden, due to even stricter rules concerning storage, alarm systems and the like, and since the collection of systems was complete and nothing remained to desire, I gradually transferred ownership of the collection to other members including Mr. Henk Visser who owned an incredible collection himself, and the National Military Museum.
Finally, muzzle loaders are free, provided they are pre-1945, which makes it for instance impossible to built a Jim Kibler kit. I myself was fortunate enough to have original parts allowing me to ‘reconstruct’ two rifles: a Jäger and a Lancaster county rifle, using Turkish Ottoman damast barrels I picked up in Yemen, an old Dutch flintlock made by Korte of Amsterdam 1815 and an original Eglish flintlock. This caused much head scratching by the police: “was this firearms-manufacturing or restoring old,  pre-1870 firearms?” I must admit: knowledge of arms in general, and of flintlocks in particular is not a strong point with our police...
 
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