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Offline Ed Wenger

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Virginia rifle...
« on: May 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM »
This is my interpretation of a northern Virginia rifle around the 1780's - 90's time frame.  It's not based on any particular maker, but does draw from some styles in the region and neighboring areas.  I guess you could say it's a contemporary interpretation of what might have been... 

The stock architecture is based on a Virginia rifle pattern.  The patchbox is of a design utilized by the Sheetz family, from the Winchester area.  The carving behind the cheek is based on an Adam Ernst (York Co) rifle.  I felt this might be appropriate because if you go just west of the York area and make a left, you'll have a straight shot into the valley area around Winchester.  All the other carving and engraving is my design.  The barrel is a .50 cal Rice, Chambers Virginia lock, and Reeves butt piece and trigger guard.

The stock is finished with LMF maple over honey maple, and permalyn.  The barrel and lock were cold blued and rubbed back with steel wool.  The over all look is that of a gently used rifle with a few years on it.  Suggestions and comments are very welcome.

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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2009, 10:51:02 PM »
It looks great Ed.  Beautiful job - and I really love the finish.  You said you were after a "used but well cared for look" and in my opinion you nailed it!  I've written down what you said you did with regards to the finish.  That's one idea I intend to steal.  I love the look you got.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2009, 11:00:25 PM »
Ed, that's a fine looking rifle!  Is it going to track of the wolf? 
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2009, 11:03:52 PM »
Ed,
Do you hear that scratching? That's old John Shetz trying to come out of his grave to get a good look at that rifle! Great job! Love it.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2009, 11:58:21 PM »
  Outstanding job Ed, I really like the over all finish and carving design. I have always been a fan of the daisy patch box, well done.

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 12:01:57 AM »
A very nice looking gun, it is nice to see a Virginia gun from that period and earlier with Brass furniture, the steel many use really takes away from the gun in my eye.

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 12:12:58 AM »
 BEAUTIFUL!

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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2009, 02:00:19 AM »
VA,

What a beauty.  One of my favorite styles.  The fit, finish, and carving are just great.

One that anyone would be proud to own.

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 02:10:30 AM »
Beautiful work Ed. I love the metal finish and stock color. Great inletting work.  ...Geo.

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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2009, 02:10:47 AM »
Beautiful Flintlock...

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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 02:31:42 AM »
Gee, Ed.  Very nice rifle.  Wish you could have made it to Williamsburg to show it off.
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Re: Virginia rifle...
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 02:41:52 AM »
Super nice!

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Re: Virginia rifle...
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2009, 02:54:57 AM »
Sure looks like they made some very fine rifles in Virginia.  Love the carving, architecture, finish- all of it really
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Re: Virginia rifle...
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2009, 03:05:38 AM »
That is definately one to be proud of.  I love the slight patina to the metal.  Just enough to knock the new off, but not overboard and the color of that stock is awesome. 

Dumb question.  What is the main characteristic that seperate the Virgina Style, from others.  I know I love the Virginia style, but I don't why. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2009, 03:31:12 AM »
That is one  Heck  of a fine looking rifle..  I really like it !!  The carving, the aged look of the brass, the finish of it. Just a great job & one you should be proud of.         

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Re: Virginia rifle...
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2009, 04:22:53 AM »
Excellent rifle Ed.  Congratulations, and thanks for showing us.

There's one spot that sort of makes me keep coming back to it...it's on the off side where the wrist flows into the comb.  I would have preferred to have the carving there a little lower - say mid wrist rather than breaking up the line coming down to the cheek piece.  It's just a personal quirk, if you will, and means nothing.  The rifle has an overall look of grace and balance.  I love the cheek piece, entry pipe and tang carving design.
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Re: Virginia rifle...
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2009, 05:14:05 AM »
Coryjoe - just as in Pennsylvania, there were many, diverse regional styles of longrifles being made in Virginia at any given time - throw into the mix the factor of different time periods and it gets even more diverse.  You could hold up a fancy brass and silver mounted, wire inlayed Sheets rifle and a plain iron mounted gun with side by side and they could both be Virginia guns.  You really have to break it down to a more focused look. 

For a northen (lower) Shenandoah Valley style 1780-1790, the first thing that jumps out that that would be the first clue for something being from that region is the patchbox - but you have to be careful - the four petal edelweiss was also popular throughout the Valley and also shows up in Lancaster and York work too.  You are right in that iron mounts would not be expected on a fancy Sheets rifle from that area in that timeframe- not impossible, but not typical.  But they would be appropriate for a 1790s gun from Botetourt County Virginia, which is maybe 150 miles southwest, or farther south and west to places like Wythe County or over farther near Tennessee.   Iron mounts were often found on guns made in Southwestern Virginia at least by the 1790s, on guns both severly plain and some relatively fancy - and many of these smiths worked in iron and brass. So these are also Virginia styles.


I like Ed's decision to use a York influenced carving style.  Shows the proximity to multiple nearby influences and I love those sort of guns.  There is a Phillip Sheets attributed rifle with a large round faced lock, looks pretty early as far as that group of guns goes, with a Lancaster daisy style patchbox in one of Whisker's books.  Gotta remember that York County Pa. was much bigger at the time - included what is now Adams, etc.  and that lower Shenandoah Valley/ Maryland/ Shepherdstown/ Pennsylvania border region was a real crossroads of regional styles due to the travel of gunsmiths, hunters, settlers, soldiers and their rifles up and down the Great Wagon Road.

 
I love that big Chambers round faced lock - but for an early Golden Age valley gun or southwestern Virginia gun I wish someone was making a production 1780s-1790s English export lock - something akin to the lock on the Conrad Humble rifle.  Jack Brooks has a great set of 1790 Ketland castings, but that's more than I want to tackle for a build, at least at this point. 

Nice rifle Ed. 

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Re: Virginia rifle...
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2009, 05:28:39 AM »
Thanks for the comments, I really appreciate your input.

Tommy... No, this one will not be going to Track.  I made it for a very dear friend who's due back from Iraq the end of June, first part of July.  He told me he wanted a Virginia style rifle and that he trusted me for the details.  Hope he likes it.....

Coryjoe...  I'm by no means an expert on this, but like rifles in Pennsylvania, Virginia architecture is kinda all over the spectrum.  There are those that look like this one (which I think is very comparable to some Lancaster rifles), with very straight comb and toe lines.  Others have a lower comb line, some even have a step wrist.  I took some liberties with this rifle...  Generally, which always seems to be the case with longrifles, southern guns had a little more English influence.  Hence the Chambers round face lock and tapered finial on the entry pipe.

Taylor...  Thanks for your observations, which as usual, are spot on.  I kinda went through that thought process and in the end settled on the carving being a little higher mainly to keep it in sync with what's going on, on the other side.  Guess I've been around the judges at Dixon's too often, lol...

Thanks again to all...

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Re: Virginia rifle...
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2009, 05:36:50 AM »
Guy...

We must have been typing at the same time!  You hit my idea square on the head reference the York influence...  Also, I'm with you about the 1780's - 1790's export English lock!!  Thanks for your insight and explanations.

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2009, 07:03:40 AM »
Great Rifle. Just a history note here as to the influences. Pittsburgh and the surrounding area was part of Virginia until after the Revolution. George Mason and others worked out a deal to cede parts of Virginia to what we see on the map as modern day Maryland and Pennsylvania borders.

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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2009, 03:50:17 PM »
Very beautiful rifle!!
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Re: Virginia rifle...
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2009, 07:48:47 PM »
Very nice rifle.  I liked it all but was particularly struck by the RR Pipes.  I like that design.

Good Job!!

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2009, 08:21:13 PM »
Ed,

If you look at my profile you might be able to find my address where you can send the rifle to get it off of your hands!!...... ;) ;)

It is very nice!!
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2009, 04:57:47 AM »
Ed,
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2009, 02:35:13 PM »
 Very nice rifle. The carving is awsome as well as the patchbox. If you want to see it go to a good home I'll give you my address. Long Carabine