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Is this ok? (polished lock)
« on: June 01, 2009, 07:56:50 PM »
   I am working on my first flint rifle and just got done polishing the lock down to 400 grit. Does this look ok?





  I think I will go down to 600 grit when it's done. I am working on making a simple trigger next. Wish me luck, I'll need all I can get. ;D

Nick

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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 08:19:43 PM »
It may just be the photos, but it looks like the corners are kind of rounded smooth.

Make sure your corners stay crisp.  File the surfaces.  If you use sandpaper, wrap it around a file and keep it flat and don't get carried away trying to get a mirror polish (in general).
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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2009, 08:30:03 PM »
I agree with Stophel. Do the thin edges last with a fine file. Then use grit paper backed with the file. Doing the edges last helps keep the lines nice and crisp

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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2009, 08:40:55 PM »
Whoa that's bright! 

As the others said, the edges are slightly rounded.  Polished locks are fine, though few originals will match 400grit polish.  Sandpaper wrapped tight around a file will help keep edges flat, or you can use sharpening stones as well.  The lock internals also look better when they're dead flat and crisp.  You of course want the bearing surfaces to be well polished, but the rest is aesthetics.  Don't forget to polish the ends of the screws.

A few weeks back there was a thread between Acer and Dave Rase about polishing locks, there are some good pointers and photos in that too. 
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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2009, 08:54:08 PM »
  Thanks for the replies. The parts are not that rounded, just a crappie camera. I will take your advice and back the sandpaper when I do the final polish.

Nick

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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2009, 09:00:25 PM »
I just file the surfaces smooth, and then go over them just a little bit with emery cloth.  Maybe 300 grit.  That's it.  ;)

When you get a finished lock, the frizzen is hard and unfileable.  For those, I use stones and more emery cloth.
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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2009, 09:28:36 PM »
For polishing locks, which is something I use to enjoy, I take the temper out of the frizzen. I find it alot easier to remove the gray blasted finish after it has be untempered. After I have polished the frizzen, I re-harden the, and re-temper it. I also use to put the lock to the buffer, but after I saw others work, have reevaluated my work, and usually go no finer than 400 crocus cloth. Still the locks do get corroded some, like under the bottom jaw on the cock mostly. Would case hardening help prevent this?  ...Geo.

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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2009, 10:15:22 PM »
For polishing locks, which is something I use to enjoy, I take the temper out of the frizzen. I find it alot easier to remove the gray blasted finish after it has be untempered. After I have polished the frizzen, I re-harden the, and re-temper it. I also use to put the lock to the buffer, but after I saw others work, have reevaluated my work, and usually go no finer than 400 crocus cloth. Still the locks do get corroded some, like under the bottom jaw on the cock mostly. Would case hardening help prevent this?  ...Geo.
Corroded some!!  I call it patina (aged look like the owner) ;D

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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2009, 10:17:51 PM »
The polish looks good, but like Stophel I fear rounding. This said sometimes photos are shockingly revealing and sometimes shockingly deceptive. "Square corners" in carving scrolls etc that are not.
But just the same I will blunder on here and give some advice anyway.

If you are not using  a hard backer on the paper you will round things. Somethings can be polished with the paper held in the fingers or folded and rolled tight etc.  But a hard backing is far better for any place it can be used for the less experienced.
I seldom file an entire lock casting before trying backed 150 grit or even 220 wet or dry.
I will use a file to clean up problems I know won't clean with paper and the file used right WILL maintain shapes well. But then you have to polish out the file marks.
For backing I use either 1/4" plexiglas cut the to length and width I want or a couple of "T" aluminum extrusions about 8" long a friend gave me.
Use double stick carpet tape to stick the paper. The thinnest stuff you can get. I like to make the plexiglas just narrower than the tape and the paper just wider than the tape. Keeps adhesive off the work. The aluminum extrusions are just about tape width, 2"

This is MUCH better than wrapping a file with the paper. Files tend to cut through.
I use round files, dowels and pieces of heater hose, fuel line ect as backing as well depending on the shape.
It is better to do edges and any contoured surfaces first then do the large flat areas. This is usually best for keeping edges sharp. Do not "bend" the plexi glass by applying pressure at the ends  while polishing. Keep it flat.
Round parts such as round barrels and rod pipes etc. Can be polished with wet or dry backed with duct tape and the paper then used in a shoe shine type fashion. NOTE this WILL round things and remove decorative features ect from parts but on round parts rounding is not a problem so long as you don't work down the ends of pipes etc.
Unless you intend to have the parts color casehardened I would not go to 600 grit. Instead used 0000 steel wool and chrome polish this will remove the scratches and make a uniform finish.
If you intend the brown the part 320 is fine enough 400 or 600 will actually make it harder to brown/rust blue the part.

This looks pretty good. Decent edges and no "whoop-de-doos". Doing the the large flat surface last in every grit with hard backed paper will reestablish the edges that define the bevel etc.
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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2009, 11:21:45 PM »
As far as having removed all the pits and scratches goes, you've done an excellent job.  I also observe that you've lost the edges a bit by rounding over the edges.   If I didn't know better, at first glance I'd say a buffing wheel was used for at least the final finish.  I see a screw hole dished out and that is part of what makes me say so.  The others have given solid advice with which I concur.  I do my edges first and then the large flat surfaces, always backing the abrasive cloth or paper with something that does not flex.  The same goes for stock finishing, especially around lock panels.  There was a wonderfully done thread on polishing locks a while back, with super examples of great work.  I shall post a couple of pictures to demonstrate my words...one polished and left bright, and the other browned.




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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2009, 11:27:34 PM »
  I did all the polishing by hand, I just didn't back the paper  the whole time. :-[ Again, thank you all for the great advise.

Nick

  P.S.  I think I will use the camera for target practice soon. ;D

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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2009, 02:46:45 AM »
You've gotten really good advice for a couple of reasons.  First off, it's clear from the photos you posted that you really are willing to put in a great effort, because that IS a great effort.  We all know it takes dedication and persistence to get a lock polished that well by hand.  So folks here just want to help you take it to the next level, which is their level.  That's a mighty high standard.  The work you showed is nothing to sneeze at and better than the vast majority of locks put in custom guns will ever see.  I'd not be discouraged a bit  These guys giving you advice are the best and figure you're showing enough gumption and promise to invest in.  Be encouraged, not discouraged.  Your next lock will be even better, even if only 20% of the guys looking at it will be able to tell the difference.  It's that 20% you really want to be showing your stuff to.
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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2009, 06:13:55 AM »
I have a lot of wooden sticks that I glue sandpaper on with elmers spray glue. I use  220 ,400- 600 wet and dry. Don't use chinese paper it has irregular sized grit in it. Some of the sticks are half round. That way you can sand curved surfaces. The worst thing a person can use is a buffing wheel. If you go to the auto parts store or paint store the ywill give you some paint stiring sticks . They work great. cut them the long way for little suff. Don't try to save sandpaper. If you use worn out sand paper it will wear you out.
  Your polishing job will get a lot better real fast. Don't be dicouraged, We all started out the same as you. 
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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2009, 06:26:42 AM »
  It took a lot of elbow grease to polish this lock, but i did enjoy it and I have learned a lot from it. If the pictures were better, you would see that the lock shines like a mirror.  After I took it back apart, I now realize it was a mistake to polish it to this level. It is full of scratches now. I will move on and try and get this first rifle done so I can polish another lock ;D
  It has been a slow journey but I am enjoying it very much.

Nick

   

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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2009, 10:55:08 AM »
  It took a lot of elbow grease to polish this lock, but i did enjoy it and I have learned a lot from it. If the pictures were better, you would see that the lock shines like a mirror.  After I took it back apart, I now realize it was a mistake to polish it to this level. It is full of scratches now. I will move on and try and get this first rifle done so I can polish another lock ;D
  It has been a slow journey but I am enjoying it very much.

Nick

   

Polishing takes patience and determination. The next thing it needs is KNOWING what it should look like and how to make it so.
You obviously have the first two down pat and they really are important. Keeping the edges sharp is just technique and tool usage stuff and will come with experience.
Your next project will be much better.

Dan
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2009, 03:20:05 PM »
  It took a lot of elbow grease to polish this lock, but i did enjoy it .............   

Your sick..........Nick.

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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2009, 05:32:20 PM »
As far as having removed all the pits and scratches goes, you've done an excellent job.  I also observe that you've lost the edges a bit by rounding over the edges.   If I didn't know better, at first glance I'd say a buffing wheel was used for at least the final finish.  I see a screw hole dished out and that is part of what makes me say so.  The others have given solid advice with which I concur.  I do my edges first and then the large flat surfaces, always backing the abrasive cloth or paper with something that does not flex.  The same goes for stock finishing, especially around lock panels.  There was a wonderfully done thread on polishing locks a while back, with super examples of great work.  I shall post a couple of pictures to demonstrate my words...one polished and left bright, and the other browned.





Well now Taylor I 'gotta' ask.... On that polished siler you left that gknob on the plate below the frizzen spring screw area.   I file that thingee off so the bottom bevel edge of the lock plate flows and does not have that 'interruption'.   Have I been wrong all these years?  Probably ::) ;D

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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2009, 06:18:33 PM »
The "interruption" on the lower bevel is made to go with the standard Siler spring.  It doesn't line up with the deluxe spring shown above.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2009, 06:51:37 PM »
Geez guys...your observatory skills are better than mine.  I didn't even notice that, but you are right Roger. I won't make that mistake again...there'll be lots of others though, I'm sure.
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Re: Is this ok? (polished lock)
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2009, 03:25:14 AM »
I usually just file the "interruption" off when using the other frizzen spring....makes for a cleaner looking plate, and it's not needed with that spring anyway.

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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2009, 04:19:33 AM »
Personally, for my taste, it's over polished.   I don't want it looking like chrome.   Many of the edges I merely file the beading marks off, make it smooth, and somewhat polished.  I might even finish with scotch brite to even it out, but keep
the edges sharp.    I like the finish Dan had on the one he posted..........Don