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Old Fowler
« on: November 10, 2018, 02:04:57 AM »
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Offline Mike Brooks

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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2018, 02:27:16 AM »
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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2018, 02:31:28 AM »
That’s what I figured. Came from Rhode Island. Any ID for the lock? No marks on the barrel. Thoughts on age?

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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2018, 03:14:47 AM »
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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2018, 04:50:54 AM »
Many of those locks appear to have been import locks; the plate fits a relatively common pattern, likely no earlier than Rev War although you will find them utilized on pieces up into the 1780s and 1790s despite being potentially earlier locks.  I can't blow up the photos without a degree of pixelation but I'm fairly certain the cock and frizzen at the least are replacement parts.  It may be a reconversion or they may be old in-use replacements.  Tough to tell without in-hand viewing.  Very nice piece, I've seen an extremely similar or identical sideplate on a similar piece within maybe the past 5 years but will have to dig back though photos to see if I've documented it.
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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2018, 05:00:07 AM »
Thanks. It supposedly belonged to Ambrose Burnside.

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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2018, 05:16:22 PM »
The lock is English, quite similar to the Ketland export locks that were so popular, although yours doesn't appear to be marked. How long is the barrel? Oct to round or oct. fading to round? Sighting plane? Does that buttplate picture go with this gun? The other pictures seem to show a much flatter buttplate at the heel.
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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2018, 05:33:51 PM »
Mike I think it just may be the angle of one of the photos creating the appearance of a flatter butt.

Is that spot at the heel a broken screw or worn-off screw head, or is it a filled hole?

Would like to hear what Puleo has to say about the lock plate, given his study of the Ketland export locks.
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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2018, 06:34:00 PM »
Same butt plate. Barrel is 43 inches. Octagon to round smooth transition. Front sight only.

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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2018, 08:19:29 PM »
Thanks. It supposedly belonged to Ambrose Burnside.

Given he was born in 1824, that seem very unlikely, and that "AB" could be any number of people. Without any provenance to back it up, I'd ignore the claim and focus on the gun itself (which is very attractive).*
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Re: Old Fowler
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2018, 11:52:39 PM »
It's a perfectly conventional Birmingham export lock - one of the lest expensive described as "common fence gunlocks hardened & engraved." I've had examples that had the K name on the inside but were not marked on the outside. Regardless of who imported it, they were all made in the B'ham trade. The evidence I've gathered suggests that this trade did not begin until at least 1792. Prior to that, all arms and "military stores" were embargoed by order of the Privy Council. The gun itself is a typical, very plain NE fowler. The long wrist and deep flutes in the stock suggest to me a date between 1792 and 1800 and probably closer to the earlier date.